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I guess there is a bit of a difference in being in opposition and being oppositional for the sake of it
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I guess there is a bit of a difference in being in opposition and being oppositional for the sake of it
there is?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yes, but weren't these the same clowns getting stuck into National for special treatment for Jackson?
posts like this always surprise me, especially from smart blokes. Do you expect anything different? Have you seen anything, from either party (or for that matter any two parties in any western democracy) that would suggest any sort of consistency? Or any self awareness?
Politicians of all stripes will say and do what ever is politically advantageous at the time. To expect anything else is folly.
I don't expect anything different, no. It's still worth pointing out self serving hypocrisy from people that present themselves as honest and transparent.
i guess i am well past thinking anyone in politics is that.
Cindy did campaign on it. She said they would be the most honest and transparent government. Another failed promise. But it was what people wanted to hear
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@mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...
Muller thinks there is a difference:
"I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@MN5 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A friend of mine who is mixed race shared this on FB. Quite amusing watching her point out this fact to her friends and shooting them down.
Dumb argument that misses the point of the saying entirely.
BLM means 'Black lives matter AS ALL LIVES do' not ONLY.
It isn't a race card, it is a slogan to draw attention to a problem.
It's entirely a race card. The only determining factor is race. 30% of the message denotes race. The race card would have black lives matter emblazoned on it. It purposely alienates other races.
Inclusivity:
Poor lives matter
Elderly lives matter
Unemployed lives matter
Fatherless lives matter
Victims of crime lives matter
Drug addicts lives matterBollocks. How does it alienate others unless they are deliberately misinterpreting the message.
It is focussed on 'black' because that is the singular message they are trying to point out. It isnt an all encompassing campaign any more than 'save the whales' isnt inclusive of elephants.As for 'race card', I think you need to look at the meaning of that idiom.
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@taniwharugby Labour certainly acted like pricks over Pike River
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan as did Whiney
Yeah. Still waiting for him to step into the mine like he promised
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...
Muller thinks there is a difference:
"I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.
To be fair I'm sure none of us would be surprised if that went the way of "honest and transparent".
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...
Muller thinks there is a difference:
"I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.
just because he said it, doesn't mean he'l live it
see the "open and transparent"
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@mariner4life all I was saying is there is a difference, whether politicians live it is obviously different, I only used his comment to say others say there is a difference as you had asked if there was, not any other reason.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life all I was saying is there is a difference, whether politicians live it is obviously different, I only used his comment to say others say there is a difference as you had asked if there was, not any other reason.
I thought that comment was probably directed more at Soimon than at the govt?
Eek, I've been tricked on to a political thread.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I don’t understand why protests like that, with no social distancing, were allowed to continue. I’d be pissed if my business was shut down because crowds weren’t allowed but this was allowed.
I wonder how many kiwis got fined in the last 6 weeks for breaking social distancing laws and then had to watch the protests?
New Zealand tanked it's economy for that virus and 6 weeks later the hypocrisy for virtue signalling overrides all the urgency that necessitated multiple years of future recession.
I can only guess the no warrants searches will be used to retrospectively prosecute those violating our social distancing laws.
As mentioned, we've put an ineffectual protest ahead of public health and the economy.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I don’t understand why protests like that, with no social distancing, were allowed to continue. I’d be pissed if my business was shut down because crowds weren’t allowed but this was allowed.
I wonder how many kiwis got fined in the last 6 weeks for breaking social distancing laws and then had to watch the protests?
New Zealand tanked it's economy for that virus and 6 weeks later the hypocrisy for virtue signalling overrides all the urgency that necessitated multiple years of future recession.
I can only guess the no warrants searches will be used to retrospectively prosecute those violating our social distancing laws.
As mentioned, we've put an ineffectual protest ahead of public health and the economy.
Incredible priorities!Come on now, be positive. I'm sure the US will see the protest on the news and immediately change their ways.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
Something about making your bed and lying in it...His point is it would cause both.
Triggering more protests causing more chance of spread.
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@Rapido yes it was a good point.
As of yesterday though, the prime minister's tepid response to breaking COVID protocol demonstrates that it's become less vital to New Zealanders so perhaps we should shift focus to the impending economic and employment pandemic, after we clean up America of course.
Patently the spread is less important than it was 2 days ago.
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Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
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