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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan as did Whiney
Yeah. Still waiting for him to step into the mine like he promised
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...
Muller thinks there is a difference:
"I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.
To be fair I'm sure none of us would be surprised if that went the way of "honest and transparent".
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life I expect being oppositional for the sake of it is just being a fluffybunny, whereas you can be in opposition and see the merit in the Govt. approach and support them, given the end goal should be the same...
Muller thinks there is a difference:
"I'm not interested in opposition for opposition's sake. We're all tired of that kind of politics.
just because he said it, doesn't mean he'l live it
see the "open and transparent"
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@mariner4life all I was saying is there is a difference, whether politicians live it is obviously different, I only used his comment to say others say there is a difference as you had asked if there was, not any other reason.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life all I was saying is there is a difference, whether politicians live it is obviously different, I only used his comment to say others say there is a difference as you had asked if there was, not any other reason.
I thought that comment was probably directed more at Soimon than at the govt?
Eek, I've been tricked on to a political thread.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I don’t understand why protests like that, with no social distancing, were allowed to continue. I’d be pissed if my business was shut down because crowds weren’t allowed but this was allowed.
I wonder how many kiwis got fined in the last 6 weeks for breaking social distancing laws and then had to watch the protests?
New Zealand tanked it's economy for that virus and 6 weeks later the hypocrisy for virtue signalling overrides all the urgency that necessitated multiple years of future recession.
I can only guess the no warrants searches will be used to retrospectively prosecute those violating our social distancing laws.
As mentioned, we've put an ineffectual protest ahead of public health and the economy.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I don’t understand why protests like that, with no social distancing, were allowed to continue. I’d be pissed if my business was shut down because crowds weren’t allowed but this was allowed.
I wonder how many kiwis got fined in the last 6 weeks for breaking social distancing laws and then had to watch the protests?
New Zealand tanked it's economy for that virus and 6 weeks later the hypocrisy for virtue signalling overrides all the urgency that necessitated multiple years of future recession.
I can only guess the no warrants searches will be used to retrospectively prosecute those violating our social distancing laws.
As mentioned, we've put an ineffectual protest ahead of public health and the economy.
Incredible priorities!Come on now, be positive. I'm sure the US will see the protest on the news and immediately change their ways.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
Something about making your bed and lying in it... -
@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
Something about making your bed and lying in it...His point is it would cause both.
Triggering more protests causing more chance of spread.
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@Rapido yes it was a good point.
As of yesterday though, the prime minister's tepid response to breaking COVID protocol demonstrates that it's become less vital to New Zealanders so perhaps we should shift focus to the impending economic and employment pandemic, after we clean up America of course.
Patently the spread is less important than it was 2 days ago.
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Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
Yeah, what an arsehole travelling for work!
No reason he can't come in and go for a two week quarantine, as has been demonstrated by the many exceptions they have already made. As usual, no empathy from the authoritarian types.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
Yeah, what an arsehole travelling for work!
No reason he can't come in and go for a two week quarantine, as has been demonstrated by the many exceptions they have already made. As usual, no empathy from the authoritarian types.
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal? If so they have hundreds, if not thousands, trying to use partners to enter the country when they never sorted out their own status before this hit to protect the risk of separation.
People have strange expectations around countries that they aren't citizens of.He isn't an arsehole for travelling for work but NZ is not his place of residence, he is not a citizen. He works overseas and is an Australian citizen. What rights does that give him? Just the ones he assumes? When travelling or working overseas there is a risk involved. It has turned int an issue for him.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?
Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.
Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?
Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.
Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat
I'm not keen for open borders yet until we see more control in other countries.
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@Hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?
Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.
Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat
I'm not keen for open borders yet until we see more control in other countries.
Absolutely. I am in no hurry to re-enter lockdown because we let some germ bag into the country to kick off another wave
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