Black Caps vs England Series
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This is what should have happened in the first test but instead we dropped 8 catches in one innings
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Damo an opener scoring 42 and then 60 in his 2 digs is very good
It's good but it's not seal the deal test selection stuff.
This was a golden opportunity to bat on tomorrow and get a big score. Getting out when he did has made us vulnerable to aini collapse.
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@Damo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Damo an opener scoring 42 and then 60 in his 2 digs is very good
It's good but it's not seal the deal test selection stuff.
This was a golden opportunity to bat on tomorrow and get a big score. Getting out when he did has made us vulnerable to aini collapse.
And if the Black Caps have a mini collapse then Will Young's 60 will go some way to meaning NZ are still in a dominant position
I understand ideally it would be nice if Young converted but there's huge value as an opener to be scoring 40+ runs.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Damo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Damo an opener scoring 42 and then 60 in his 2 digs is very good
It's good but it's not seal the deal test selection stuff.
This was a golden opportunity to bat on tomorrow and get a big score. Getting out when he did has made us vulnerable to aini collapse.
And if the Black Caps have a mini collapse then Will Young's 60 will go some way to meaning NZ are still in a dominant position
I understand ideally it would be nice if Young converted but there's huge value as an opener to be scoring 40+ runs.
I call BS on anyone saying scoring 60’s not enough at the top of the order. Sure conversions nice to have at some point, but when your top order competition has struggled for runs over the last 18 months , I will take runs on the board any time
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Damo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Damo an opener scoring 42 and then 60 in his 2 digs is very good
It's good but it's not seal the deal test selection stuff.
This was a golden opportunity to bat on tomorrow and get a big score. Getting out when he did has made us vulnerable to aini collapse.
And if the Black Caps have a mini collapse then Will Young's 60 will go some way to meaning NZ are still in a dominant position
I understand ideally it would be nice if Young converted but there's huge value as an opener to be scoring 40+ runs.
Yeah 100% percent at the moment Conway can't score 30 let alone 60 Young has been an improvement.
You always pick the more in form option which is Young atm. -
@canefan said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@1kiwi said in Black Caps vs England Series:
With the way Young is playing in this test is that the final nail in the coffin for Conway?
He needs time away, and should not rush back. If Young continues to excel I wonder if Conway could be retooled into a WK batsman
Conway should not be a test WK he has enough problems without throwing that at him. He doesn't needs potential broken fingers and concentrating for long periods behind the Wkt then come out and bat for a long period.
And he is not a test standard wk and never will be.
He just needs to work on his technical problems and come back in to the middle order where he belongs. -
Disappointing that Young has once again failed to convert and get a huge score.
But he was man of the series against India and 42 and 60 is a very good double.
Conway is all at sea and I fear he has played his last test match. I can’t see him getting back in.
There won’t be a place for him in the middle order ( although Ravindra needs to live up to the hype a bit more ) and all this wicketkeeper talk is nonsense
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@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
Disappointing that Young has once again failed to convert and get a huge score.
But he was man of the series against India and 42 and 60 is a very good double.
Conway is all at sea and I fear he has played his last test match. I can’t see him getting back in.
There won’t be a place for him in the middle order ( although Ravindra needs to live up to the hype a bit more ) and all this wicketkeeper talk is nonsense
Form may dictate whether Conway gets back in and the middle order is where he belongs with those technical issues.
Ravindra needs to buckle down, Mitchell has been up by and down. Phillips as well is not holding down a spot for me his fielding fell off as well as his batting 6 dropped catches really suprising for Phillips.as I was saying before the first test we should have started Santner it should have been for Southee but they used this series as a farewell tour.
Weight of runs and Conway can force his way back in,but for FFS sake Devon sort out your technical problems. -
Conway has almost definitely played his last test.
Because he has become terrible, and when will he be able "to go away and work on his game"? During golf/rest days during the Emirates T20 , SA20 or the IPL? It's over for him as a test player. Presumably he'll still play some of the big ICC tournaments for NZ, but I see no path back to test cricket.
I guess technical faults that also impact his white ball game will get worked on, though. But theyve been apparent for a tear or more, and there's been no sign the last 12 months that he has it in him anymore.
The keeper talk is just ignorant, I'm afraid.
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@Chris said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
Disappointing that Young has once again failed to convert and get a huge score.
But he was man of the series against India and 42 and 60 is a very good double.
Conway is all at sea and I fear he has played his last test match. I can’t see him getting back in.
There won’t be a place for him in the middle order ( although Ravindra needs to live up to the hype a bit more ) and all this wicketkeeper talk is nonsense
Form may dictate whether Conway gets back in and the middle order is where he belongs with those technical issues.
Ravindra needs to buckle down, Mitchell has been up by and down. Phillips as well is not holding down a spot for me his fielding fell off as well as his batting 6 dropped catches really suprising for Phillips.as I was saying before the first test we should have started Santner it should have been for Southee but they used this series as a farewell tour.
Weight of runs and Conway can force his way back in,but for FFS sake Devon sort out your technical problems.Ravindra is being touted as one of the next fab four of young batting superstars which is ridiculously premature.
The other three ( Brook, Mendis and Jaiswal ) have all started with a hiss and a roar. He has some work to do
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@Rapido said in Black Caps vs England Series:
Conway has almost definitely played his last test.
Because he has become terrible, and when will he be able "to go away and work on his game"? During golf/rest days during the Emirates T20 , SA20 or the IPL? It's over for him as a test player. Presumably he'll still play some of the big ICC tournaments for NZ, but I see no path back to test cricket.
I guess technical faults that also impact his white ball game will get worked on, though. But theyve been apparent for a tear or more, and there's been no sign the last 12 months that he has it in him anymore.
The keeper talk is just ignorant, I'm afraid.
In the nets ,open wkt practices, using video analysis where every one works on technical issues of course. you don’t work on technical issues in a game you sort them out off field,
That where all the technical work is done not during games. -
Heard the stat this morning - that before yesterday - Henry had dismissed Crawley 4 times in the series for zero runs. Then yesterday he got 5 runs off Henry (after pumping 16 off Southee's first over) before he got him again.
5 dismissals, 5 runs, average of 1. Henry v Crawley this series.
I presume he hasn't made it past the opening spell yet this series. Meaning he has scored his other 42 runs in this series at an average of an infinity at the Southee end.
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ON the flipside of above. Southee the opening bowler has taken the new ball 5 times in the 5 innings so far in this series for zero opening spell wickets.
Has taken his 4 wickets in the 53rd, 87th, 39th and 43rd overs. (So 1 wicket with the second new ball)
Something to keep in mind, along with the dropped catches, when assessing the series performances of the 3rd and 4th seamers (Smith and O'Rourke) who come on after him.
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We really don't need stats to tell us what is staring us in the face and was oh so predictable.
Timee is a busted flush and has been for a couple of years. He's tarnished his record by selfishly sticking around and could conceivably have cost us this series.
Contrast his world farewell tour with the way Wags was unceremoniously cut adrift.
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Will O’Rourke is a great team man.
I’m offended and outraged on his behalf that he was asked to be night watchman AGAIN after assisting Santner so effectively for some valuable runs.
Oh, and the difference in quality when he came to bowl after Southee was just ridiculous too.
