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Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
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@WillieTheWaiter who knows exactly what happened but it is pretty obvious the accusers are not the "innocent victims" they are claiming to be in the media. As I said multiple times earlier, we've only heard a very one-sided version of events so far, and everyone has thrash wanked themselves into a frenzy over it.
The major difference between this case and others is that these people went crying to the media, whereas other victims have accepted the courts decision and moved on with their lives.
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I used to like Henry, but now he is even more of a big mouth with a big pedestal.
Tew watch:
He told Paul Henry on TV3 he would contact the victims "before he left the country" to join the All Blacks in Argentina for their Rugby Championship match this weekend.
Tew departed late Wednesday morning with attack victim Greg Morgan still waiting to hear from him. "It's still early days so I'll just keep waiting and see if they [New Zealand Rugby] do end up contacting me," he said.
Steve Tew has been slammed for NZ Rugby's handling of the Losi Filipo assault case.
Great to see the keyboard warriors out in force still, wireless mice being thrown everywhere.
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says 'morning'
Maybe Tew sent him an e-mail and it went into his junkmail box?
I hope this servies notice to all corporate employers that they are expected to apologise to victims of incidents that pre-date their employment.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
Interesting - comment on FB
Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
But the judge didn't say we aren't letting Filipo off because he was provoked. He said he was letting him off because he was good at rugby.
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@hydro11 I'd argue it was more that it would adversely affect his career, which happened to be rugby....whether the same rule had applied if this guy was a promising swimmer, lawyer or something else is probably more the point.
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@No-Quarter We don't know the whole story but I assume the police do via independent witnesses. None of the reports have stated that any of the 4 were charged with any offence.
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@taniwharugby said in Appalling double-standard:
@hydro11 I'd argue it was more that it would adversely affect his career, which happened to be rugby....whether the same rule had applied if this guy was a promising swimmer, lawyer or something else is probably more the point.
Yeah, and if the conviction means they will no longer have that promising career, well the judge can often rule that the punishment outweights the crime as it's a massive loss in earnings etc.
What would help is if they published the judgement from the trial, instead of just the judgement from the sentencing. That would properly explain the sentencing by the judge, including all of the mitigating factors.
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Social media is going nuts after both PH and our Mum Hilary had a go at Steve.
Interesting side note about the Greg Morgan who the media claims this stopped him form playing rugby, apparently he has had ALOT of concussion issues prior to the incident from rugby.
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It was him that claimed it had stopped him from playing rugby. Well, sharing your entire life on social media can have consequences. Who would have thought? Lol.
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@hydro11 said in Appalling double-standard:
@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
Interesting - comment on FB
Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
But the judge didn't say we aren't letting Filipo off because he was provoked. He said he was letting him off because he was good at rugby.
He said no such fucking thing Hillary
You know, if some more facts come out about this case that don't follow the established narrative, some people are going to look like foollish fluffybunnies. Not that they will care on iota.
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@No-Quarter said in Appalling double-standard:
It was him that claimed it had stopped him from playing rugby. Well, sharing your entire life on social media can have consequences. Who would have thought? Lol.
Ah OK, I wasn't sure if it was him, so just said the Media as I expect making shit up is something they might do....
While it appears he still got off very lightly, you have to think the mitigating factors are becoming clearer and you can see this as being why the judge may have gone down the route he did (even if there is never an excuse to stomp on someone on the deck)...is funny how Tew is getting more of a grilling than the Judge though!
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@hydro11 said in Appalling double-standard:
@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
Interesting - comment on FB
Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
But the judge didn't say we aren't letting Filipo off because he was provoked. He said he was letting him off because he was good at rugby.
That quote epitomizes the old cliché of some people only going to school to eat their lunch.
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@taniwharugby aah. Need to learn to proper read
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@mariner4life said in Appalling double-standard:
@hydro11 said in Appalling double-standard:
@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
Interesting - comment on FB
Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
But the judge didn't say we aren't letting Filipo off because he was provoked. He said he was letting him off because he was good at rugby.
He said no such fucking thing Hillary
You know, if some more facts come out about this case that don't follow the established narrative, some people are going to look like foollish fluffybunnies. Not that they will care on iota.
Well, I'm willing to concede my language was a little strong. What I should have said is that "his professional rugby career was mentioned by the judge as one of a number of factors which caused his to receive a discharge." If more facts come out? What are you on about? The dude had a trial. I often wait to make comments on cases when they are before the courts but this one has been settled. If Filipo wanted to say something else he should have done so in court. The judge's sentencing notes say that the case was unprovoked but apparently @WillieTheWaiter saw something on Facebook which disproves that so maybe we should listen to that instead?
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@taniwharugby said in Appalling double-standard:
@No-Quarter said in Appalling double-standard:
It was him that claimed it had stopped him from playing rugby. Well, sharing your entire life on social media can have consequences. Who would have thought? Lol.
Ah OK, I wasn't sure if it was him, so just said the Media as I expect making shit up is something they might do....
While it appears he still got off very lightly, you have to think the mitigating factors are becoming clearer and you can see this as being why the judge may have gone down the route he did (even if there is never an excuse to stomp on someone on the deck)...is funny how Tew is getting more of a grilling than the Judge though!
The judge explicitly states that a sentence of 1.5 years would be unimpeachable as a starting point. He then says that conventional sentencing would not be appropriate because of his age, it being a first time offence, his remorse etc. He says that the defendant would receive a conviction with conventional sentencing. The judge then says that the punishment would be out of proportion because it could ruin his career. He does also say that this would apply to any career.
The judge did not mention any mitigating factors such as being provoked which took away from the seriousness of the assault. As the judge said, other people would go to prison for what he did.
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@taniwharugby said in Appalling double-standard:
@hydro11 I'd argue it was more that it would adversely affect his career, which happened to be rugby....whether the same rule had applied if this guy was a promising swimmer, lawyer or something else is probably more the point.
The thing is that most people view playing professional sport as a privilege. You get paid to do what most people dream of doing. The judge says it should be treated like any other career. I would argue that the man in question is also a car groomer. He can make money doing that if he could no longer play rugby.
It just seems a weird precedent to set. How do you tell whether or not someone is good enough at their sport to have a genuine career at it. How about law? Can someone before the courts just enrol in a law paper at uni to get off a conviction? Sounds like a good get out of jail free card. I don't have a problem with some people avoiding convictions for less serious charges but I think this was just way too serious - an unprovoked attack on 4 people.
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