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Dude, what is it with you and Guildford? Are you his brother?
I was sort of with you on the "role models thing" and i have made the same point on one of the many, many "footballer behaves badly" threads we have had over the years (my stance is players are mostly responsible for how they act as rugby players, all other lessons should come from your parents).
But then it morphed in to a quick monologue about how Zac was unfairly treated in comparison because he can't fight (way to leave out some parts there as well Gus Gould).
Again, as with the thread based on that silly bint's article on Stuff, this is not a uniquely NZ thing, or even just a rugby thing. Sport means a lot to people, and favoured athletes are forgiven shit all over the world. Look at all the gangsters in the big American sports forgiven waaaay worse things than this because they can make big plays for your team. There are no shortage of league players running around with long records. Messi got done for tax fraud, got a fucking lenient sentence, do you think the people of Barcelona wanted his contract torn up?
What NZ has is a small country, with a vocal minority who have had enough of what they call the "rugby" culture, and a media willing to voice their opinions. We also have fuck all in the way of "celebrities" so sports stars it is. And rugby certainly sells things/generates clicks.
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@Mokey well I see a headline of Stuff saying that the victims are still awaiting a call from Tew, last updated at 12:18.
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@taniwharugby Pah. Stuff needs to up its medication.
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The fact that the head of NZ Rugby is under media attack for this pretty much sums up for me how fucking retarded this quest for mob justice has become. We (society at large) are so desperate for someone to blame, we just keep moving along the chain until we find someone to take responsibility. Organisations just need to learn to ride it out until next week when the great unwashed will be outraged by something completely different.
On the flip side, now is a great time to invest in pitchforks and torches
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@mariner4life said in Appalling double-standard:
Dude, what is it with you and Guildford? Are you his brother?
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But then it morphed in to a quick monologue about how Zac was unfairly treated in comparison because he can't fight (way to leave out some parts there as well Gus Gould).Dude, chill! I just couldn't remember another case of an All Black doing something very stupid and receiving a relatively long suspension for something that never came before the courts. That's the only reason I mentioned Guildford. I didn't argue anywhere in my post that he was unfairly treated in comparison, I just pointed out there were differences in circumstances (no charges, no court case) and that there was a difference in how unions have responded, which may or may not have to do with the fact that something happened in public or because the person involved was an All Black or not.
Again, as with the thread based on that silly bint's article on Stuff, this is not a uniquely NZ thing, or even just a rugby thing. Sport means a lot to people, and favoured athletes are forgiven shit all over the world.
I never said it didn't happen anywhere else or only in rugby, but I have lived in countries where sport isn't as sacred as it is here and where sports people don't get that much attention (some small tabloid excluded) for things other than their performance on the field etc.
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It's the way the world works ... and rightly so. Man at the top takes the blame for everything. It comes with the big job and of course, the big salary.
I didn't see the interview, but Tew should be street smart enough to be able to handle anything Paul Henry can throw at him. If he can't, then it's a fair question if he's the right man for the job.
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@MajorRage said in Appalling double-standard:
It's the way the world works ... and rightly so. Man at the top takes the blame for everything. It comes with the big job and of course, the big salary.
I didn't see the interview, but Tew should be street smart enough to be able to handle anything Paul Henry can throw at him. If he can't, then it's a fair question if he's the right man for the job.
you can see it online FB paul henry show - wasn't really an interview - just him yelling at him and cutting him off.
just crazy - you'd think it was Tew that got him pi$$ed and sent him out on the streets!
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Interesting - comment on FB
Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
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@WillieTheWaiter who knows exactly what happened but it is pretty obvious the accusers are not the "innocent victims" they are claiming to be in the media. As I said multiple times earlier, we've only heard a very one-sided version of events so far, and everyone has thrash wanked themselves into a frenzy over it.
The major difference between this case and others is that these people went crying to the media, whereas other victims have accepted the courts decision and moved on with their lives.
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I used to like Henry, but now he is even more of a big mouth with a big pedestal.
Tew watch:
He told Paul Henry on TV3 he would contact the victims "before he left the country" to join the All Blacks in Argentina for their Rugby Championship match this weekend.
Tew departed late Wednesday morning with attack victim Greg Morgan still waiting to hear from him. "It's still early days so I'll just keep waiting and see if they [New Zealand Rugby] do end up contacting me," he said.
Steve Tew has been slammed for NZ Rugby's handling of the Losi Filipo assault case.
Great to see the keyboard warriors out in force still, wireless mice being thrown everywhere.
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says 'morning'
Maybe Tew sent him an e-mail and it went into his junkmail box?
I hope this servies notice to all corporate employers that they are expected to apologise to victims of incidents that pre-date their employment.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
Interesting - comment on FB
Paul Henry forgot to mention it was her male friends that picked on his older brother with racial slurs and threw the first punch paul Henry didn't mention that she bottled his brother from behind and tried to gauge his eyes out when the rest of her group jumped his brother two against six he helped his brother out and when they all got a hiding the rang the cops. Word from some one that was actualy there the trouble maker in her group is known for stirring up crap all the time hence the reason why the judge made the right call they were provoked there should be some video footage and it will show she came running in with a bottle went they out numbered his brother before he jumped in. Not for violence but if you and your friends decide to get drunk and think it's ok to start making trouble you better think if you don't want nothing don't start nothing
But the judge didn't say we aren't letting Filipo off because he was provoked. He said he was letting him off because he was good at rugby.
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@hydro11 I'd argue it was more that it would adversely affect his career, which happened to be rugby....whether the same rule had applied if this guy was a promising swimmer, lawyer or something else is probably more the point.
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@No-Quarter We don't know the whole story but I assume the police do via independent witnesses. None of the reports have stated that any of the 4 were charged with any offence.
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@taniwharugby said in Appalling double-standard:
@hydro11 I'd argue it was more that it would adversely affect his career, which happened to be rugby....whether the same rule had applied if this guy was a promising swimmer, lawyer or something else is probably more the point.
Yeah, and if the conviction means they will no longer have that promising career, well the judge can often rule that the punishment outweights the crime as it's a massive loss in earnings etc.
What would help is if they published the judgement from the trial, instead of just the judgement from the sentencing. That would properly explain the sentencing by the judge, including all of the mitigating factors.
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Social media is going nuts after both PH and our Mum Hilary had a go at Steve.
Interesting side note about the Greg Morgan who the media claims this stopped him form playing rugby, apparently he has had ALOT of concussion issues prior to the incident from rugby.
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It was him that claimed it had stopped him from playing rugby. Well, sharing your entire life on social media can have consequences. Who would have thought? Lol.
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