Hurricanes vs Chiefs
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@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
We have a decent run in, including a match against the Reds who currently sit above us. We probably still have to win all three remaining games to have a chance to make the playoffs
I think 2 more wins will get you in the play offs now.
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Da fuq happened at halftime? Watched the first half before heading to an election party, got up this morning expecting to see the Chiefs to finish it off, nope they got hammered. Well, I did call it early in the thread when we were discussing the favourites in this match.
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Proctor is all class.
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Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
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@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby. -
@reprobate yep, do it early on to set the marker for 5/10 mins, but after that if they keep infringing ping em, they'll learn better that way, or should.
All well and good playing to the ref, but if all he does is 'coach' the players, it means they are infringing and affecting the flow of the game.
I dont want more pens and cards, but the ref needs to lay the marker.
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@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
Midfielders who keep the ball alive are a good thing.Yep, agree to an extent with Roigard, he isn't near his top form atm but I did allude to this the other day that all teams will see him as a danger and will be putting more players around the ruck so there will be less opportunity for him to snipe. Larkham specifically said that their whole game plan against the Hurricanes the other week was to shut down Roigard because they know how dangerous he can be.
In saying it all that, he seems to be a few notches down on what he was last year, I'm hoping that he comes out firing for us after the bye.
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@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now. -
@cgrant said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
My answer was concerning your word "underpowered". I do know that scrum is also a matter of technique.
Fair enough, but I’m referring to how hard their shoulder is creasing the tighthead’s Arse cheek, rather than the size of their biceps!
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@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate yep, do it early on to set the marker for 5/10 mins, but after that if they keep infringing ping em, they'll learn better that way, or should.
All well and good playing to the ref, but if all he does is 'coach' the players, it means they are infringing and affecting the flow of the game.
I dont want more pens and cards, but the ref needs to lay the marker.
Couldn’t agree more.
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@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
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@reprobate fair enough mate, I can agree with some points, and can see re the slowing ball, but by same token, I just want players called back from offside, especially in case where it has no effect on game. But we all see it a little different mate.
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@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
Yep mate, once again, no win for ref. Imagine the Canes get penalised early in game, and opposition don't later in game for same thing.
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@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
Yep mate, once again, no win for ref. Imagine the Canes get penalised early in game, and opposition don't later in game for same thing.
That's fair
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@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
Yep mate, once again, no win for ref. Imagine the Canes get penalised early in game, and opposition don't later in game for same thing.
That's fair
I might be taking this out of context, but isn't that just bad reffing?
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@Bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
Yep mate, once again, no win for ref. Imagine the Canes get penalised early in game, and opposition don't later in game for same thing.
That's fair
I might be taking this out of context, but isn't that just bad reffing?
Inconsistency is not part of good reffing, so I get what Dan is saying that a penalty in the first 10 minutes should be a penalty in the final 10, in an ideal world
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@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.Yeah. Bloke offends: penalised.
There was an instance in the Drua v Reds.
Drua halfback approached the lineout inside the 10m before it had ended. Ref tells him "get back, get back, get back".
No, he fucked up and offended. Penalise him.
Game is altered as everybody stops while they work out what's going on before old mate wanders back to the 10.
Drua actually score.
Be pissed off if I was a Red or supporter.
