Still talking about Foster
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Can anyone say who was in the leadership group at the time? Pretty tough for Sam, sounded like a spur of the moment thing and emotions were high.
I'm a little surprised at the love the other players had for Fozzie. I'm no Fozzie basher, but given the results and public pressure I would have thought the leadership group might have welcomed someone new. Unless they were concerned about Razor trying to change things up too much.
You’re surprised that senior leaders who got picked every week despite underperforming were keen to retain the coach who kept selecting them every week despite underperforming?
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@junior said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Can anyone say who was in the leadership group at the time? Pretty tough for Sam, sounded like a spur of the moment thing and emotions were high.
I'm a little surprised at the love the other players had for Fozzie. I'm no Fozzie basher, but given the results and public pressure I would have thought the leadership group might have welcomed someone new. Unless they were concerned about Razor trying to change things up too much.
You’re surprised that senior leaders who got picked every week despite underperforming were keen to retain the coach who kept selecting them every week despite underperforming?
No doubt there would have been a bit of ,
he’s shown us loyalty it’s up to us repay him ,and all reports seem to indicate fozzie despite his coaching faults is a good fella .
I don’t really blame players for going in to bat for their coach when things aren’t working out , they are in a difficult situation and probably don’t want to be seen as backstabbers , we are all in this mess together, we have to stick together and all that stuff .
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@pakman said in Still talking about Foster:
For me the takeaway is that the Coach selection process has a big issue in that the support team align themselves with a specific candidate and it becomes a package.
An alternative would be to select the coach individually and then to work with the chosen individual to appoint support team on merit.
By way of example, if Foz appointed then ask Ryan to make himself available as candidate for forward coach.
I've been saying this for several years. It's stupid!
It dates back to the Henry cartel vs Robbie ...and maybe Pat Lam.
When they appointed Fozzie, they appointed pre-packaged coaching teams. Everyone apparently wanted Tony Brown, but he aligned himself with Jamie Joseph and said it didn't seem right to be part of more than one team. And now he's coaching SA.
We ended up buying Brad Mooar out of his contract and later sacking him.
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I don't think they ever had to have package signed up, just agreed. It's bot that much different to how most countries do it really, they just appoint coach and let him pick his team. I think it really started when Deans stood against Henry and didn't have much idea who he was going to have as assistants, and Henry had a bloody good set up already? Not saying it right or wrong, but imagine appointing a coach and he couldn't attract good assiatants.
I see both sides of argument myself. And Tony Brown said if JJ didn't get job he would stick with him in Japan originally and Razor was always going to use the Crusaders team, so why hide it? -
@Dan54 said in Still talking about Foster:
but imagine appointing a coach and he couldn't attract good assiatants.
Wasnt that exactly what happened with Foster, with several of his 1st choice unavailable for 1 reason or another?
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@taniwharugby yep, he wanted Schmidt from start, but he was pretty burnt out after doing Ireland (according to Steve Hansen), and wanted to spend time with kid etc. Not sure which other ones (think Brown was sounded out, but was sticking with JJ). But I not absolutely certain of those 2, just knew Schmidt had been sounded out (by NZR).
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I've heard that in 2019 when Hansen made his intentions clear, the 1st group by Foz after Razor said no to assistant and went for HC is Foster, Jamie J, Brown. Schmidt was supposed to come in as selector but then needed a break for two years, so Fox was extended as selector.
NZR couldn't match Japan money for Joseph, but was keen to go with Foz.
Plumtree was asked to apply in 17 when Wayne Smith retired too, he was always on the NZRs radar. -
He has a book coming out.
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@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
Only took him three minutes of the interview to get around to talking about cheese n' ham toasties and ice cream......
To be fair, Fozzy looks like he's lost a few kilos in Japan.
Well he is discussing being with Fat Guts Hansen in Japan. I bet a few bakeries got a visit.
I'm also shocked at them all talking up Hamilton.
But yes, a very likable fellow on the whole.
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@reprobate said in Still talking about Foster:
possibly to the point he struggled to drop those he should have
A continuous theme with recent AB coaches.
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Listened to most of that. He seemed a decent, sensible and likeable guy with good relations with his players and the other coaches.
He's make a good neighbour. He's laugh at your jokes and offer to mow your lawn or baby sit your kids from time to time.
What I didn't get though was any sense that he was a details men or familiar with much sports science. He seemed out of his depth as AB coach to be blunt.
Book extract: Ian Foster on keeping his job as All Blacks coach
