All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones i don't think steyn is a great kicker in open play, in fact i think he is below average at that level. you said pocock isn't good at breakdown turnovers - he just is though. whatever the reason for that, or what he sacrifices to achieve it, he just is.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
bro, the real parallel would be you telling me that steyn isn't a good
goal-kickerfirst five-eighth - because he doesn't do anything else - and anyone could be that good if they didn't have to do other things too. there are probably a dozen guys in world rugby i'd pick ahead of steyn to play 10 - but that doesn't mean he's not good at kicking goals.Fixed.
nah bro, not even. bones' statement was that pocock wasn't even that good at steals. it wasn't whether he was a good 7.
Well no, that's just all he does so it might seem he gets plenty. He'd be good at it if he managed to build it into general good play, not if that's all he concentrates on - again, most of our loosies/locks would equal Pocock in those stats if that's all they did.
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@Bones bro that is like saying val adams isn't that good at the shot cause she doesn't bother with the high jump.
sam whitelock and brodie retallick are in my opinion the two best locks in the world - but if you think either of them has the strength over the ball of pocock, you're dreaming. his centre of gravity is about halfway up their shins.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones bro that is like saying val adams isn't that good at the shot cause she doesn't bother with the high jump.
I think you've jumped the shark now if you think that analogy has any merit. Ms Adams isn't a field athlete, she's a shot putter. Throwing the shot is the skill. There's more than one facet to playing flanker.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I think you've jumped the shark now if you think that analogy has any merit. Ms Adams isn't a field athlete, she's a shot putter. Throwing the shot is the skill. There's more than one facet to playing flanker.
the statement wasn't that he is / isn't a good flanker, it was whether he was good at that one skill.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones bro that is like saying val adams isn't that good at the shot cause she doesn't bother with the high jump.
Errr what? It's nothing like that. It'd be more like saying one of Val's competitors isn't the best at spinning through the circle even though she does the most spins. I'm sure Val could do as many spins, but she's concentrating on the bigger picture, rather than spinning the most.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I think you've jumped the shark now if you think that analogy has any merit. Ms Adams isn't a field athlete, she's a shot putter. Throwing the shot is the skill. There's more than one facet to playing flanker.
the statement wasn't that he is / isn't a good flanker, it was whether he was good at that one skill.
No it wasn't, it was whether he's as good as the hype suggests. He's good at it, yes...but not that good.
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Perhaps it's because he was away from rugby for 2 years or perhaps the game has moved on, but Pocock's deficiencies have been quite critically exposed this year. I mean the Wallaby props have better ball skills than he does which is pretty shocking for a modern day 7 or 8. What I don't get is how he gets ragdolled so much and can't seem to win a single metre of ground. On the weekend he grabbed the ball and was pushed back further than the Italians in North Africa. I know he isn't tall but he's built like a farking tank and you'd think he could break a tackle now and then.
Sure he steals pills better than a druggo, but it seems incredible that he hasn't developed his running game in all these years as an international player.
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This thread, jesus
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
This thread, jesus
What's bugging you tonight dildo gobbler?
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@Crucial Take the point. I don't think it's at all contentious that foul play can invalidate a try (or droppie I suppose) and I wasn't advocating that. And agree that the 'Rules' need to be applied throughout the game. But why not add something similar to what I propose to the try related TMO 'protocols' -- or whatever they're called? That way (in the actual game) Speight scores (I acknowledge that Barrett miraculously thwarted Le Roux but I don't think it's right to be influenced by remote possibilities). However, in your Hooper butt scenario foul play invalidates.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones No great fan of Steyn. But I seem to recall he was the tactical ticker in 2009 when the Bokke's excellent kick chase under the then rules meant they owned us on the scoreboard.
Not sure what you're getting at?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel For a shithouse Pocock has zero go forward, and I suspect my old man (who's 86) could run him down -- did he have a serious knee problem?!
But I saw an article in The Roar, I think, a few years ago comparing McGod, Hooper and Pocock (who was out for a while then with injury) as 7s. The gist was that although Hooper was up there or ahead of Ritchie in turnovers, he paled into insignificance in terms of 'involvements' -- which I suppose is defined as being in the right place at the right time doing the right thing. Pocock was up there with Hooper on turnovers, but a long way towards Ritchie in involvements.
Would be interesting to what I trio of Pocock, Fardy and Timani could achieve with Hooper playing the 'Savea' role. -
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Bones That he has two dimensions -- goalkicking and Garryowens! But not in the same league as any of our 10s. Jantjes and Pollard are the only two recnt Bok 10s who have worried me at all.
Yep I don't disagree!
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What about the blatant elbow to Retailicks head which has left him out with concussion. That's been missed from what I can see by everybody. Around the 50 minute mark watch the Aussie number 6
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
What about the blatant elbow to Retailicks head which has left him out with concussion. That's been missed from what I can see by everybody. Around the 50 minute mark watch the Aussie number 6
No way? I'm sure the offender would've received a ban if that's true.
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@Wreck-Diver said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
What about the blatant elbow to Retailicks head which has left him out with concussion. That's been missed from what I can see by everybody. Around the 50 minute mark watch the Aussie number 6
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