Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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@Tregaskis said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
In between TV broadcasting gripes, the Irish have confirmed a host of players who (I think) were likely to be in the 23 will not play this game: Sean O'Brien, Peter O'Mahoney, Paddy Jackson, and Iain Henderson.
Can the likes of Pot Hale (or even William Tell) tell us about the likely effect on the Irish team of these late absences. Were they likely to be starters (I know Jackson wouldn't be) or are they not the loss I think they are?
Only my grandma called me William...
SOB is a quality player, but only just back from injury. He went pretty well for Leinster in the weekend, but I think Schmidt feels he is not quite there yet. Ditto for POM, although Stander is pretty like for like. It could be an inspired move by Schmidt as I expect them in the mix for Dublin.
Jackson's form has dipped a bit recently, albeit behind a fairly woeful Ulster pack. Carberry has looked good at lower levels, but it's a massive step up. I think Jackson would have been 22 for sure, if only because of experience. He went pretty well in SA too. Henderson has been carrying injury and not so good this season. On form he's a very good lock. It's a bonus for NZ, because I think Donncha Ryan is in the journeyman category a bit. I like Dillane, but he will probably be on the bench for lock.
The biggest selection choice to look out for is Henshaw 12/Ringrose 13/Payne 15 vs Henshaw/Payne/Kearney. The latter would be a safe but uninspiring choice by Schmidt, but it's generating the most debate among Irish supporters.
Keep an eye out for Van der Flyer at 7, he has quite impressed me, but we see how he goes against top level opposition.
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I thought you guys were getting a bit precious by pre-empting all the NH tour bingo stuff. Then I read that haka article and realised it was more than just a haka article and he managed to get it all in the one article. Jesus, he just went on and on.
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
I do take a peverse pride that people think we can plan and organise a pre-mediated attack (in just the minute between haka and kickoff) - after some grass picking - and then execute this plan within 40 seconds - so effectively that it is tour-ending.
Fuck we're good. We're like the Mossad of rugby.
I recommend we neither confirm nor deny this allegation.
So proud.
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@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
I thought you guys were getting a bit precious by pre-empting all the NH tour bingo stuff. Then I read that haka article and realised it was more than just a haka article and he managed to get it all in the one article. Jesus, he just went on and on.
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
I do take a peverse pride that people think we can plan and organise a pre-mediated attack (in just the minute between haka and kickoff) - after some grass picking - and then execute this plan within 40 seconds - so effectively that it is tour-ending.
Fuck we're good. We're like the Mossad of rugby.
I recommend we neither confirm nor deny this allegation.
So proud.
Are you an Ireland fan then, Rapido?
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@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
It's about 50:50.
Including some bright spark suggesting the Irish just do their warmups during the haka. I think that would be brilliant personally, let's see what happens.
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@Frye said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
It's about 50:50.
Including some bright spark suggesting the Irish just do their warmups during the haka. I think that would be brilliant personally, let's see what happens.
Agreed. I think they should do it if only to see what the ref's reaction would be. At some point, it was rumoured that WR said teams are required to line up and face the haka and are not meant to move. Don't know whether that's true or not.
What's the ref gonna do if they don't? Yellow cards all round?
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
I thought you guys were getting a bit precious by pre-empting all the NH tour bingo stuff. Then I read that haka article and realised it was more than just a haka article and he managed to get it all in the one article. Jesus, he just went on and on.
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
I do take a peverse pride that people think we can plan and organise a pre-mediated attack (in just the minute between haka and kickoff) - after some grass picking - and then execute this plan within 40 seconds - so effectively that it is tour-ending.
Fuck we're good. We're like the Mossad of rugby.
I recommend we neither confirm nor deny this allegation.
So proud.
Are you an Ireland fan then, Rapido?
Yes, I am actually.
Favourite non-Oceania side (replaced Scotland about 15 years ago).I'm not infected with the Cardiffitis.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Frye said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
It's about 50:50.
Including some bright spark suggesting the Irish just do their warmups during the haka. I think that would be brilliant personally, let's see what happens.
Agreed. I think they should do it if only to see what the ref's reaction would be. At some point, it was rumoured that WR said teams are required to line up and face the haka and are not meant to move. Don't know whether that's true or not.
What's the ref gonna do if they don't? Yellow cards all round?
Oz used do pointless stuff like that, even when it was just Campo off practicing up and unders to himself. It's before the game, the ref only gets involved if the players get too close.
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27-man squad that flew out today to Chicago for the game.
F Bealham (Connacht), R Best (capt), J Carbery, S Cronin (both Leinster), U Dillane (Connacht), T Furlong (Leinster), C Gilroy (Ulster) C Healy, J Heaslip, R Henshaw (all Leinster), B Holland (Munster), R Kearney (Leinster), K Marmion (Connacht), J McGrath, L McGrath, J Murphy (all Leinster), C Murray (Munster), J Payne (Ulster), G Ringrose (Leinster), D Ryan, J Ryan (both Munster), J Sexton (Leinster), CJ Stander (Munster), D Toner (Leinster), A Trimble (Ulster), J Van der Flier (Leinster), S Zebo (Munster).
Paddy Jackson unable to travel for family reasons.
Henderson still recovering from injury. Earls on second week of ban. O'Mahony and O'Brien not yet ready for test matches.Hopefully, Schmidt tries out the Leinster partnership of Henshaw and Ringrose - good experience for them for future tests.
Payne instead of Rob Kearney at full back should go well given his performances in SA, but who knows whether Schmidt will or not. Trimble and Zebo look the likely starts on the wing with Gilroy on the bench.
Joey Carbery looks like he will get a surprise 21st birthday present by getting a spot on the bench for Saturday's test. Hopefully it goes well for him on his first cap.
Luke McGrath might also get a bench spot as the back-up scrum half, rather than Kieran Marmion. He has the advantage of playing alongside both Sexton and Carbery.
The starting flanker spots are now between vdF, Stander and Jordi Murphy. My guess is Murphy on the bench as he's played all three back row positions.
Not a bad line-up for first test of the season and you couldn't ask for a better quality opposition.
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@Kirwan said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Frye said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
It's about 50:50.
Including some bright spark suggesting the Irish just do their warmups during the haka. I think that would be brilliant personally, let's see what happens.
Agreed. I think they should do it if only to see what the ref's reaction would be. At some point, it was rumoured that WR said teams are required to line up and face the haka and are not meant to move. Don't know whether that's true or not.
What's the ref gonna do if they don't? Yellow cards all round?
Oz used do pointless stuff like that, even when it was just Campo off practicing up and unders to himself. It's before the game, the ref only gets involved if the players get too close.
Very boring. So following this line of pointlessness, would a team be allowed to walk around behind New Zealand and look at the haka as long they don't get too close?
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Kirwan said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Frye said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Rapido said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Reading the comments, the reader's agreed it was a shit article, to be fair.
It's about 50:50.
Including some bright spark suggesting the Irish just do their warmups during the haka. I think that would be brilliant personally, let's see what happens.
Agreed. I think they should do it if only to see what the ref's reaction would be. At some point, it was rumoured that WR said teams are required to line up and face the haka and are not meant to move. Don't know whether that's true or not.
What's the ref gonna do if they don't? Yellow cards all round?
Oz used do pointless stuff like that, even when it was just Campo off practicing up and unders to himself. It's before the game, the ref only gets involved if the players get too close.
Very boring. So following this line of pointlessness, would a team be allowed to walk around behind New Zealand and look at the haka as long they don't get too close?
If they'd like to start the game with a fight, would be my guess.
It kind of reminds me of the Boks rucking Lomu's head from time to time. Why would you want to fire up a sleeping giant? The best way to beat the All Blacks is hope for a bit of complacency.
Any of the teams that focused on the Haka have mentally already lost the game (Thinking Wales and Oz through the years here). 2013 gave the Irish the template they need to focus on, play better rugby. Everything else is irrelevant.
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@Kirwan Could not agree with this more. The haka thing is an easy target but geez it is ridiculous. The Kiwis league team probably do a meaner haka than the ABs but it didn't stop them getting pumped by Aussie a couple of weeks ago.
The ABs tend to blow teams away in the second half/last twenty minutes and have often been slow starters - how that relates to a haka before kickoff I have no idea.
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I am sure the players don't get involved in the discussion about the Haka, but the media sure love a whinge.
most seem to like the Bole, Siva Tau and Sipi Tau, it's just the Haka that causes so much angst, cant understand why.
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Right. Well so much for haka opposition then.
The 2013 template isn't good enough. Getting all your scores in the first half won't work. And then running out of energy in the second half when defences start to narrow and 50/50s become 30/70s.
Controlled, patient game rather than blitz and fury would seem to serve them better. And having the requisite reserves of energy for the 55-75 period of the game.
If Ireland are able to contest and trouble NZ lineouts, then perhaps Sexton goes for a long kicking game into the crowd looking for territory as often as possible. I can't see Ireland pursuing a kick-chase strategy unless it's absolutely necessary - unless they're fond of rugby hara-kiri. And maybe look for opportunities in and around the breakdown/scrum rather than out wide.
Anyway, let's wait and see.
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Man! Jackson missed the trip because he was detained and released by police in relation to alleged sexual offences (along with Ulster teammate Olding).
Not just NZ rugby so...
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@Billy-Tell well no, the rugby player accused of sexual assault from the Heartland Comp is a Fijian National...rugby is bad.
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I trust you realise I was jesting!
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Speaking of Haka's, if the ABs want to get the Chicago crowd excited, I give you Pehi Te Whare. This is from the 2003 U21s. Captain Tuitupou is visible and Kaino is in that team too.
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@Bovidae was at that final with @Kirwan and @WillieTheWaiter ....pretty sure there were a bunch in that team that went on to be ABs: Tuitopou, Kaino, Cowan, Donald, Afoa (may have been others too)
edit - just had a look, AB site doesn't mention Tuitopou, Kaino, Donald or Afoa, but mentions Cowan, Adam Thomson and Ben Atiga as well.
Donald is the only one I am not certain was playing.
