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@gollum said in US Politics:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/29/14432250/trump-disapproval-50-percent
Days until achieving MAJORITY disapproval from @Gallup
Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936Trump: 8. days.
At some stage he gets so toxic that GOP house & senate candidates have to seperate from him or lose their seats. That usually takes longer than 8 days... Tho' I'm sure there are "alternate" facts & as BSG will post later, polls are always wrong. Always.
It would be no different really if Clinton was president. She was going to be unpopular too.
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@hydro11 said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/29/14432250/trump-disapproval-50-percent
Days until achieving MAJORITY disapproval from @Gallup
Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936Trump: 8. days.
At some stage he gets so toxic that GOP house & senate candidates have to seperate from him or lose their seats. That usually takes longer than 8 days... Tho' I'm sure there are "alternate" facts & as BSG will post later, polls are always wrong. Always.
It would be no different really if Clinton was president. She was going to be unpopular too.
It would be an unreported unpopularity though,
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Excluding Syria?? FFS how can you not know that Syria was included?
See subsequent post - Syria on the "indefinite" list. The list of seven were the temporaries.
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And Obama did the same thing in regards to Cubans not long ago.. got a valid Visa.. turn up in the US and get detained. Obamas executive order also caused confusion and was equally ham fisted.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Excluding Syria?? FFS how can you not know that Syria was included?
See subsequent post - Syria on the "indefinite" list. The list of seven were the temporaries.
Which makes your stupid rant even more ignorant and retarded.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Which makes you stupid rant even more ignorant and retarded.
Because I misread something?
How fucking retarded, then, do you look, due to a complete lack of understanding about the geopolitical history of the Middle East, and the underlying US interference for the past 4-5 decades?
"Its Obama's fault" said Baron.
Because he hates black guys or something...
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Which makes you stupid rant even more ignorant and retarded.
Because I misread something?
How fucking retarded, then, do you look, due to a complete lack of understanding about the geopolitical history of the Middle East, and the underlying US interference for the past 4-5 decades?
"Its Obama's fault" said Baron.
Because he hates black guys or something...
Yeah cool stuff... you look foolish and ignorant and you got caught, suck it up and move on.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@NTA I thought Syria was on the list?
It is on the list.
Ah yes - the list of seven is the 90 day ban. Syria is "indefinite".
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All the news has been about the 7 counties, of which Syria is one. Not sure how you missed that.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And Gollum stop talking about polls like you understand anything about them, you clearly do not. You have proven that already, and you lectured and lectured and then ran away. You would be the very last person I would take opinion on polls from.
The Ad Hominem attacks are fun (not really), but that site was very clear about explaining probabilities right through the election - and the first source clearly explains how current polling could also be off. He's not giving an opinion, but a pretty reasonable summary of the sources. I'm wondering whether you read the sources? Or, are you saying that 538 misrepresented the numbers?
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And Gollum stop talking about polls like you understand anything about them, you clearly do not. You have proven that already, and you lectured and lectured and then ran away. You would be the very last person I would take opinion on polls from.
The Ad Hominem attacks are fun (not really), but that site was very clear about explaining probabilities right through the election - and the first source clearly explains how current polling could also be off. He's not giving an opinion, but a pretty reasonable summary of the sources. I'm wondering whether you read the sources? Or, are you saying that 538 misrepresented the numbers?
I suggest you read back on how Gollum lectured and lectured and lectured others about how the election was not going to be close. And then he ran away for weeks after the election... and now he is back... so yeah nah.. I don't take anything he says about political polls remotely seriously. Dont explain to me how the site works, I have understood it from the start, educate Gollum if you are in the mood for it.
If you cannot be bothered going back and reading the relevant parts of the thread.. I suggesr you stop trying to defend Gollum based on ignorance.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
. I'm wondering whether you read the sources? Or, are you saying that 538 misrepresented the numbers?
Don't hold your breath waiting for answers to these
@MajorRage - regarding the Quebec Mosque: suspect charged is Alexandre Bissonnette.
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/C178/production/_93882594_bissonnette.jpg
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The suspect was arrested in his car on a bridge leading from Quebec City to Ile d'Orleans, where he called police to say he wanted to cooperate with the authorities.According to CBC News, Mr Bissonnette studied political science and anthropology at Laval University, whose campus is about 3km (two miles) away from the mosque.
The Montreal Gazette reports that the suspect dressed up as the Grim Reaper for Halloween, according to his Facebook page, which has now been taken offline.
On the social network, he also reportedly "liked" US President Donald Trump and French National Front leader Marine Le Pen.
Francois Deschamps, an official with an advocacy group, Welcome to Refugees, said the suspect was known for his far-right views.
"It's with pain and anger that we learn the identity of terrorist Alexandre Bissonnette, unfortunately known to many activists in Quebec for taking nationalist, pro-Le Pen and anti-feminist positions at Laval University and on social media," Mr Deschamps wrote on organisation's Facebook page.
[/snip]6 x First Degree Murder
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Fine, but just because he was wrong with his predictions (no matter how strongly he suggested them) doesn't mean he's wrong now to bring up polls - especially when those polls clearly point out the problems with their methodology. You and his bickering is fucking boring and since we can't put certain posters on ignore in the new software (can we?), can we all take it as read that you both want to flush each other's head down the toilet?
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
Not sure if it was covered (can't be bothered reading the bile), but now that he's in, will the "soft Trump supporter" phenomenon go away?
The Gallup thing is interesting, but as someone said above - depends who was asked.
I'm pretty sure we're not going to get "soft Trump opponent" in any case.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
Fine, but just because he was wrong with his predictions (no matter how strongly he suggested them) doesn't mean he's wrong now to bring up polls - especially when those polls clearly point out the problems with their methodology. You and his bickering is fucking boring and since we can't put certain posters on ignore in the new software (can we?), can we all take it as read that you both want to flush each other's head down the toilet?
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
No no no.... you misunderstand..... being wrong with predictions is basically a pre requisite for posting here. Lecturing others how you are the ONLY one who understands polls whilst clearly not understanding polls.. and then being not man enough to front after you get it wrong... that is what makes Gollum a special case. I have zero respect or patience when he starts talking about polls. And lets not forget in this iteration he bought my name into the conversation....
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@gt12 said in US Politics:
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
Not sure if it was covered (can't be bothered reading the bile), but now that he's in, will the "soft Trump supporter" phenomenon go away?
The Gallup thing is interesting, but as someone said above - depends who was asked.
I'm pretty sure we're not going to get "soft Trump opponent" in any case.
It wont go away IMO. Many people just cannot be bothered facing the vitriol they receive if they support Trump.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
It wont go away IMO. Many people just cannot be bothered facing the vitriol they receive if they support Trump.
I was thinking more in terms of the polls run by phone like Gallup - not like you're yelling the answers for the neighbourhood to hear or carrying a placard.
As for local support for Trump - I was at the local bottleshop last weekend and saw a guy in cricket whites with a Trump cap on. I found that unusual, but wasn't sure if he was an expat.
The popularity of supporting your outspoken President is surely easier to countenance than an outspoken Candidate?
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Acting AG Sally Yates instructed the DoJ that it should not follow through with Trump's ban as a question of legality.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/donald-trump-immigration-order-department-of-justice/
"Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has told Justice Department lawyers not to make legal arguments defending President Donald Trump's executive order on immigration and refugees, according to sources familiar with the order."
So he fired her:
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