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I dont rate politifact nowdays though...
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make. Did you follow the link I provided?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
Then when he was caught out/corrected ... he tweeted out the real story... over 2 weeks later.
That is like Conway making a stupid claim.. and then tweeting out the real story.
Just read the link to politico, because frankly I am sick of trying to explain to you what is already explained in the ink I provided.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
Yes.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this
"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
It's fairly fucking simple to understand:
- Either a statement of fact about the capability that has already happened, or
- Expressing the future tense.
Without a shred of evidence to support your inference, you've chosen the later despite either could be true and the subsequent tweet clearly shows which it is.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
Yes.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this
"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
It's fairly fucking simple to understand:
- Either a statement of fact about the capability that has already happened, or
- Expressing the future tense.
Without a shred of evidence to support your inference, you've chosen the later despite either could be true and the subsequent tweet clearly shows which it is.
Are you just completely ignoring the link I have provided? How does me providing a link equate to you claiming I havent provided any evidence? His full speech is still on Youtube, he categorically said we HAVE doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas.
That was complete and utter BS.
The fact over 2 weeks later he tweeted the real version, doesnt make his initial statement in his SOU speech any less of a lie.
And what inference? I am not inferring anything, I am saying it outright, with evidence. .
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@NTA said in US Politics:
That is just absolutely terrible.
How about Time MagazineThe Great Manipulator?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
Yes.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this
"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
It's fairly fucking simple to understand:
- Either a statement of fact about the capability that has already happened, or
- Expressing the future tense.
Without a shred of evidence to support your inference, you've chosen the later despite either could be true and the subsequent tweet clearly shows which it is.
Are you just completely ignoring the link I have provided?
From your link: 'in 2011, the EPA announced a plan, in partnership with a dozen automakers, to increase average fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon for cars and light-duty trucks.'
So combined with that statement and the tweet I linked to, the context is obviously 'we [the administration, as a result of partnership with a dozen automakers] have doubled the distance our cars will [in the future] go on a gallon of gas'.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
Yes.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this
"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
It's fairly fucking simple to understand:
- Either a statement of fact about the capability that has already happened, or
- Expressing the future tense.
Without a shred of evidence to support your inference, you've chosen the later despite either could be true and the subsequent tweet clearly shows which it is.
Are you just completely ignoring the link I have provided?
From your link: 'in 2011, the EPA announced a plan, in partnership with a dozen automakers, to increase average fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon for cars and light-duty trucks.'
So combined with that statement and the tweet I linked to, the context is obviously 'we [the administration, as a result of partnership with a dozen automakers] have doubled the distance our cars will [in the future] go on a gallon of gas'.
You are completely changing the tense to make your point. Obama said he had done it, your sentence says they plan to.
One is a lie/exaggeration/alternate fact the other is a campaign promise, and we know what they are worth.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
Yes.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this
"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
It's fairly fucking simple to understand:
- Either a statement of fact about the capability that has already happened, or
- Expressing the future tense.
Without a shred of evidence to support your inference, you've chosen the later despite either could be true and the subsequent tweet clearly shows which it is.
Are you just completely ignoring the link I have provided?
From your link: 'in 2011, the EPA announced a plan, in partnership with a dozen automakers, to increase average fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon for cars and light-duty trucks.'
So combined with that statement and the tweet I linked to, the context is obviously 'we [the administration, as a result of partnership with a dozen automakers] have doubled the distance our cars will [in the future] go on a gallon of gas'.
You are completely changing the tense to make your point.
I'm not. The tense depends on how you treat will, because if Obama was talking present tense, he would have said 'we have doubled the distance our cars go on a gallon of gas'.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
The Great Manipulator?
Some days I wish I had hair like that. But obviously I wouldn't leave it long like a fucking hippier.
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Here is the direct quote;
"We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas".
Do that's what he did say...
Here is politifact link calling it a lie, and explaining why;
There is no context that makes that untruth more true. All you've done is post his backpedaling when he got caught.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
What? you are comparing it to what year 1975?
He was talking about his administration.
I should have mad that clear.How do you infer that?
A day after Trump’s speech, Barack Obama brought up the history of American steel during a joint appearance with the Canadian prime minister and the Mexican president, who were meeting for a summit in Ottawa.
Reporters asked the three leaders what they would do to counter the anti-free-trade sentiment exemplified by Trump. Obama acknowledged the shortcomings of trade agreements, but he argued that reverting to tariffs and a possible trade war was the wrong way to improve the situation. He pointed to technological change as an irreversible factor.
"This nostalgia about an era when everybody was working in manufacturing jobs, and you didn’t need a college degree, and you could go in and as long as you worked hard you could support a family and live a middle-class life -- that has been undermined far more by automation than it has been by outsourcing or the shift of jobs to ... low-wage countries," Obama said. "I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was. It’s just (that) it needs one-tenth of the workers that it used to."
I was talking about the fuel consumption lie
Yes and? I am just not sure what point you are trying to make.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? There are two ways to take the statement "we have doubled the distance our cars will go". The tweet shows which one he meant.
No.
Yes.
In his state of the nation address in late January he lied and said this
"We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar, with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.""
It's fairly fucking simple to understand:
- Either a statement of fact about the capability that has already happened, or
- Expressing the future tense.
Without a shred of evidence to support your inference, you've chosen the later despite either could be true and the subsequent tweet clearly shows which it is.
Are you just completely ignoring the link I have provided?
From your link: 'in 2011, the EPA announced a plan, in partnership with a dozen automakers, to increase average fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon for cars and light-duty trucks.'
So combined with that statement and the tweet I linked to, the context is obviously 'we [the administration, as a result of partnership with a dozen automakers] have doubled the distance our cars will [in the future] go on a gallon of gas'.
You are completely changing the tense to make your point.
I'm not. The tense depends on how you treat will, because if Obama was talking present tense, he would have said 'we have doubled the distance our cars go on a gallon of gas'.
That is what he said!
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
Here is the direct quote;
"We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas".
Do that's what he did say...
I've already dealt with this.
Here is politifact link calling it a lie, and explaining why;
And I've explained why it's wrong. Simple English.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
So combined with that statement and the tweet I linked to, the context is obviously 'we [the administration, as a result of partnership with a dozen automakers] have doubled the distance our cars will [in the future] go on a gallon of gas'.
You are completely changing the tense to make your point.
I'm not. The tense depends on how you treat will, because if Obama was talking present tense, he would have said 'we have doubled the distance our cars go on a gallon of gas'.
That is what he said!
Today, no area holds more promise than our investments in American energy. After years of talking about it, we’re finally poised to control our own energy future. We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. (Applause.) We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas, and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar -- with tens of thousands of good American jobs to show for it. We produce more natural gas than ever before -- and nearly everyone’s energy bill is lower because of it. And over the last four years, our emissions of the dangerous carbon pollution that threatens our planet have actually fallen.
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