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    @gollum said in Honey Rant:

    Jul 1, 2014  /  Lifestyle

    The manuka honey scandal

    The manuka honey scandal

    Manuka honey is ever more prized for its health benefits. But with more being sold than is actually produced, is there some dodgy dealing going on?

    At the heart of the scandal: basic maths. According to New Zealand's leading manuka association, 1,800 tonnes a year of the honey are now consumed in the UK each year, out of an estimated 10,000 tonnes globally. Yet production of the genuine stuff is set at just 1,700 tonnes, or the equivalent to more than three million small jars. Unless Britain has somehow managed to secure all of it, there's a lot of fake manuka on our shelves.

    I remember reading that as well. I think it also comes down to the definition of 'genuine stuff' which is based on the UMF factor. I don't think it counts the household supermarket manuka honey which is still quite unique and tasty. The UMF is the medicinal factor.
    Isn't there a big problem up north with gangs and hives? Standover tactics and hive theft etc. I think beekeepers up that way have to be quite secretive as to where their hives are

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    Same deal in Canada where organised crime started stealing maple syrup

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/maple-syrup-heist-quebec-canada-guilty-1.3848431

    A man described as one of the ringleaders in the 2012 theft of $18.7-million worth of maple syrup has been found guilty by a jury in Trois-Rivières, Que.

    The Great Maple Syrup Robbery made headlines around the world four years ago. The elaborate caper saw 3,000 tonnes of syrup go missing from a warehouse belonging to the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers — the regulatory body that controls and manages the syrup trade. The heist was only discovered when a routine inventory check in July 2012 turned up an empty barrel that was supposed to be full of syrup. Officials with the federation quickly realized that dozens of its barrels contained not the sweet stuff, but water.

    The resulting investigation by Quebec provincial police led to the arrests of 26 people. On Saturday, Richard Vallières was found guilty of theft, fraud and trafficking stolen goods. During his trial in Quebec Superior Court, he said that he had filled the barrels with water. But he also insisted that he hadn't wanted to. He testified that he was forced to buy syrup stolen from the federation, and replace it with water, by a man who carried a gun.

    Vallières said the man told him, "I know where you live." Vallières also said the man led him to believe he had links to the Mafia.

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    @Crucial yep there is differing grades of it, from the medicinal stuff down, as I said above, the Aussies are calling some of thier
    S Manuka too cos of the plant the bees are using is a type of manuka

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    @dK said in Honey Rant:

    @Donsteppa said in Honey Rant:

    Plant lots of lavender! (Amongst other good options). Have put lots in under our dwarf citrus trees and it seems to be a good attraction/source of food for the bees (and handily gets them in the vicinity of the citrus...)

    When we first moved in our garden was full of yukkas etc... not a bee in sight for the first year...

    Shouldn't you plant manuka and then live off the riches 😲

    Remember the 70s and 80s where "scrub cutting" was a massive industry and consisted of stripping the hillsides of manuka?

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    @booboo said in Honey Rant:

    @dK said in Honey Rant:

    @Donsteppa said in Honey Rant:

    Plant lots of lavender! (Amongst other good options). Have put lots in under our dwarf citrus trees and it seems to be a good attraction/source of food for the bees (and handily gets them in the vicinity of the citrus...)

    When we first moved in our garden was full of yukkas etc... not a bee in sight for the first year...

    Shouldn't you plant manuka and then live off the riches 😲

    Remember the 70s and 80s where "scrub cutting" was a massive industry and consisted of stripping the hillsides of manuka?

    May have participated a little scrub cutting on the uncles farm. Fuck the bees

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    So with honey being liquid gold now does this mean that capitalism might yet save the bee..and consequently all of human civilisation (apparently according to a book I've heard about)

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    Nope -

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/could-pollinating-drone-replace-butterflies-and-bees

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    @dK said in Honey Rant:

    @booboo said in Honey Rant:

    @dK said in Honey Rant:

    @Donsteppa said in Honey Rant:

    Plant lots of lavender! (Amongst other good options). Have put lots in under our dwarf citrus trees and it seems to be a good attraction/source of food for the bees (and handily gets them in the vicinity of the citrus...)

    When we first moved in our garden was full of yukkas etc... not a bee in sight for the first year...

    Shouldn't you plant manuka and then live off the riches 😲

    Remember the 70s and 80s where "scrub cutting" was a massive industry and consisted of stripping the hillsides of manuka?

    May have participated a little scrub cutting on the uncles farm. Fuck the bees

    Is 'scrub cutting' some rural euphemism I should be cautious of googling?

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    What genius got funding for that project? Woopdy fucking doo a drone can brush over one plant and then go to another.. hardly needed a proof of concept to figure that one.
    I would have been more impressed if they figured out how make the drone do it without some guy on a remote controller.
    I am so jealous I didnt think of this scam to get funding 😞

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    haha yeah bizaare, especially the last line...which I know was a throw away but still

    The one thing they still won’t be able to do? Make honey. But with their pollination workload lightened, maybe we could leave that one to the bees.

    Hope someone remembers to tell the bees not to worry about the pollinating part! 🙄

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    @taniwharugby said in Honey Rant:

    haha yeah bizaare, especially the last line...which I know was a throw away but still

    The one thing they still won’t be able to do? Make honey. But with their pollination workload lightened, maybe we could leave that one to the bees.

    Hope someone remembers to tell the bees not to worry about the pollinating part! 🙄

    with their workload lightened, we should be within our rights to reduce their weekend and overtime penalty rates as well. Wins all round

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    @mariner4life would help reduce the cost of making honey too, so should make it much cheaper!

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    @taniwharugby nah, according to a widely shared, but under-researched meme created by their union, the fatcat farmers will just pocket that difference. And they don't even pay tax!

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    @mariner4life bet the Farmers don't even pay the bees either! And yet those cnuty wasps still fly around thinking they can sting whoever they like, whenever they like, where ever they like. Maybe with all their spare time from pollinating the Bees should rise up and destroy the evil wasps!

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    @taniwharugby never urge the proletariat to rise up!!

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    @mariner4life friend of the cnuty wasps huh, wasp rights my arse! 🖕🏼

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    @taniwharugby marxist

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    @mariner4life wasps are cnuts, bees are crime fighters!!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11811408

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    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Honey Rant:

    What genius got funding for that project? Woopdy fucking doo a drone can brush over one plant and then go to another.. hardly needed a proof of concept to figure that one.
    I would have been more impressed if they figured out how make the drone do it without some guy on a remote controller.
    I am so jealous I didnt think of this scam to get funding 😞

    Its exactly the same model used for all of these. EG military drones are piloted, once they get everything ironed out re the setup frame stresses available from not having a human in the drone, the sensors etc, the next gen dont need a pilot.

    Same here. The core things they need to develop are building a drone that can hover & brush up against the flower, get the size down, and get enough pollen without damaging the flower. Then you automate them.

    Seriously every single tech advance does this. EG Tesla will be fully self drive. They were none self drive at all, then partial. Then full auto. If you can figure out how to jump over all the interim steps you could get some serious funding without needing a scam.

    Not sure I can think of a single tech advance that has skipped all the interim phases

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    @taniwharugby said in Honey Rant:

    @mariner4life wasps are cnuts, bees are crime fighters!!

    Bees are... Batman?

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