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@taniwharugby Seven billion of us wandering the planet and people still make arguments against eugenics...
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To answer a question that came up earlier, the Maori Party will work with whoever is in govt:
Putting aside the various commentary in the article, the stats that come up are unpleasant reading:
Maori being 15% of the general population and yet making up 51% of the prison population (and 56% of the remand population), suggests that there is some work to do somewhere. I doubt it's caused by intergenerational trauma as suggested by an interviewee in the article, but unconscious bias and Maori being over-represented in the low income brackets causing impaired access to good lawyers probably have something to do with it.
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Interesting article and I agree with the basic points that we need to confront the over representation of Maori (and your points about access to good lawyers etc as well).
However, I'm not convinced that stuff have actually shown real racism - rather than being a reflection of the shitty economic and education problems surrounding Maori. For a supposedly lengthy investigation, they don't seem to be able to provide very strong personal examples.
Four years ago, he was charged with manslaughter following the death of a man in Auckland. Morrison, who was studying to be a paramedic, was working at a Salvation Army rehabilitation centre when a man who had been drinking heavily and had been involved in a previous stoush stumbled on to the property and smashed a glass door.
Morrison found the man down the road and confronted him about the damage.
"He just steps in and I think he's coming at me," Morrison says. "My instinct is to push him away [and] I catch him on the side of the face he falls down, hits his head on back of the ground."
Morrison calls an ambulance and starts giving the man first aid, but a week later he dies in hospital.
The police, meanwhile, allege Morrison punched the man with a closed fist - even though there is no evidence he had.
"It came down to a [witness] who had been drinking for 11 and a half hours who said he saw me run across the road and said that's all he saw. When he was asked in court, and also in his statement if he saw me punch the guy he said no."
A jury took less than two hours to find him not guilty.
That seems to me like the system working as it should to me? Hard to see racism when a jury took two hours to show that the case hadn't been made and he was acquitted. I'd like to see other similar examples of pakeha with prior records who weren't charged in order to consider any normative racism with that example.
I'd also like to see the data when controlling for income, education, and gang membership.
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I hope that these two get sued for this and the NZDF is telling the truth.
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Breakfast grilling English over this now.
Asking why they don't just do an enquiry to clear it up....there has been an independent in inquiry.
I wonder how much an inquiry would cost, to the taxpayer cos if allegations turned out unfounded would Hagar have to stump up?
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@taniwharugby of course he doesn't have to pay. But he should. Why is it he only releases his books in election year? #affecttheresult
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby of course he doesn't have to pay. But he should. Why is it he only releases his books in election year? #affecttheresult
Supposedly that was the co-author's fault - it was meant to be released last year but he didn't finish his research in time.
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If it turns out Hager and co have their 'facts' wrong I hope there is some type of comeback - especially if it requires an inquest.
ha ha as if we can ever believe that line about it being planned for release last year.
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Has anyone read the book? IIRC his original accusation was that the SAS went in on a revenge kill mission. Since then others have widened this to say that "civilians died" and "why were we there at all?" Second guessing those who made the decision when they acted on available intel is bullshit. If Hagar can't prove that it was a revenge mission then he should be brought to account. It is sad if innocent people died but shit, they live in a war zone FFS (not their fault but it is what it is), and war is one big SNAFU
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That's the way Hagar writes 1+1= whatever he can twist out of it. I read dirty politics and most of it was him reading what he could into people's Facebook conversations and emails to make them look as sinister as possible . most of the dirty politics he outlined was pretty tame by international standards .
Fortunately the emaciated little turd is preaching to the choir with his books and they have no effect outside of his leftard fan base , case in point the last election .
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
That's the way Hagar writes 1+1= whatever he can twist out of it. I read dirty politics and most of it was him reading what he could into people's Facebook conversations and emails to make them look as sinister as possible . most of the dirty politics he outlined was pretty tame by international standards .
Fortunately the emaciated little turd is preaching to the choir with his books and they have no effect outside of his leftard fan base , case in point the last election .
Just take a look at the comments on Stuff articles about him right now. He's getting torn apart by all and sundry.
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@No-Quarter not sure I'd be relying on Stuff coments as any indication of anything.
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@No-Quarter not sure I'd be relying on Stuff coments as any indication of anything.
Yeah, but when you're pushing bullshit conspiracy theory agenda's and you can't even get the Stuff trolls on your side you are really struggling...
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@gt12 John Tamihere has actually done a bunch of research into the justice system and it's handling of Maori - I'm not sure he's published much if it though (I've read a bunch of it while doing contract work). He looks more at institutional racism (culturalism?) and socio economics rather than just the blanket term 'racism' which it seems Stuff is pushing. I think he particularly looks at charging, sentencing etc of similar crimes. Hell, even Jegga, opps I mean Whaleoil thinks that Maori receive more severe sentences.
But, there's a definite proportion of it that comes down to socio economic factors. I've had a couple of mates who've worked as barristers sole and derived some of their revenue from legal aid and they've said they weren't really up to the task (these are guys who worked at Russell McVeigh etc) as they weren't specialised enough.
@Godder If the Labour Party got into govt and didn't need the one or two seats that the Maori Party would provide then they'll be outside looking in anyway.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@No-Quarter not sure I'd be relying on Stuff coments as any indication of anything.
Yeah, but when you're pushing bullshit conspiracy theory agenda's and you can't even get the Stuff trolls on your side you are really struggling...
Fair point
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some interesting points in here.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90892328/live-defence-force-hits-back-at-hit-and-run-claims
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@Nepia GFYs
ACT and the Howard league for penal reform are trying to bring the numbers of people in jail for driving offences. It was interesting to see the reasons behind people not having a licence and they were pretty much linked to poverty . Maori are over represented in the stats .
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http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/left_scream_betrayal_at_fiscal_rules.html
Farrar quoting Bryce Edwards' Herald "Political Roundup" article. Not surprisingly, Sue Bradford, Laila Harre and the unions are going mental at the Labour / Greens economic policy because it is neo-liberalism and models fiscal constraint.
Good point made however about the activist left being sold out.
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@Tregaskis said in NZ Politics:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/left_scream_betrayal_at_fiscal_rules.html
Farrar quoting Bryce Edwards' Herald "Political Roundup" article. Not surprisingly, Sue Bradford, Laila Harre and the unions are going mental at the Labour / Greens economic policy because it is neo-liberalism and models fiscal constraint.
Good point made however about the activist left being sold out.
I agree with her on this , that's actually a great point she's made there.
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