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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Salacious-Crumb once again I completely fail to see the relevance of Clinton to what I posted. My comments have nothing to do with Clinton at all and any comparison smacks of 'whataboutery'.
The only point you make that is relevant to what I posted is the same old name calling. I'm not a fainter (whatever that means) nor do I own any pearls to clutch.
If you care to engage in an adult manner I would be happy to debate my view with you. In the meantime give it a rest.
Clinton is very relevant to the behavour of Comey.
Clinton holds no relevance to my comments about Trump. I never commented on the behaviour of Comey.
Why does everyone keep harping on about Clinton? Clinton is the past. Trump is the now.
If Clinton has done something that should be prosecuted then talk about that by all means but as a seperate topic not as a counter to what Trump does or doesn't do.
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@Virgil said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback yep, doesn't say much for Trump then does it.
What? So it is Trumps fault how Comey behaved under Obama? Fascinating. Tell me more please
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Salacious-Crumb once again I completely fail to see the relevance of Clinton to what I posted. My comments have nothing to do with Clinton at all and any comparison smacks of 'whataboutery'.
The only point you make that is relevant to what I posted is the same old name calling. I'm not a fainter (whatever that means) nor do I own any pearls to clutch.
If you care to engage in an adult manner I would be happy to debate my view with you. In the meantime give it a rest.
Clinton is very relevant to the behavour of Comey.
Clinton holds no relevance to my comments about Trump. I never commented on the behaviour of Comey.
Why does everyone keep harping on about Clinton? Clinton is the past. Trump is the now.
If Clinton has done something that should be prosecuted then talk about that by all means but as a seperate topic not as a counter to what Trump does or doesn't do.
It's pretty tedious that whenever someone comments about Trumps behaviour or actions someone else pops up with 'what about Clinton'.Some if us are talking about Comeys firing... VERY relevant to Clinton. I find it tedious that people want to ignore context.
Comey has a proven track record of acting against the FBI best interests and for the Clinton's. This has spilt over to a bias against Trump. And he was fired You cannot just pick and chose which parts of this saga people can discuss. -
Comey perjured himself (again) today. He admitted leaking a memo to the media that would have been evidence in the investigation, and claims he did it because of Trump's tweet about "tapes" -- a tweet that Trump posted a day AFTER the NYT was publishing Comey's leak. No wonder this incompetent boob was fired.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Salacious-Crumb once again I completely fail to see the relevance of Clinton to what I posted. My comments have nothing to do with Clinton at all and any comparison smacks of 'whataboutery'.
As detailed in Shattered this whole "Rooskies ate my homework" fixation was hatched within 24 hours of Clinton losing and her surrogate press feeding frenzy. There has been ZERO crimes committed, but that never derailed their runaway sore-loser Cold War witch-hunt.
In a sane reasonable ethical universe you'd start with a crime and make an investigation and seek evidence. But in the current upside-down Alice in Wonderland Versailles on the Potomac you start with anonymous innuendo then go straight to a fishing expedition seeking to manufacture a crime and won't stop digging until "The Resistance" is demanding DNA tests on every hotel bedsheet in Moscow for traces of hooker piss.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Comey has a proven track record of acting against the FBI best interests and for the Clinton's. This has spilt over to a bias against Trump. And he was fired You cannot just pick and chose which parts of this saga people can discuss.
Comey said today he's convinced Rooskies hacked DNC and DCCC servers, and YET AGAIN admitted FBI was refused access to those same servers for their investigation and instead trusted the word of Democratic Party and Ukrainian government contractor CrowdStrike, a company that has already been proved to invent howlers in this investigation. A clear conflict of interest AND obstruction of justice. Even their naming of malware "Fancy Bear" and "Cozy Bear" was politically motivated. Recklessly blame a nuclear power then fail to properly assign an investigation. That's a bright convenient idea. Extraordinargy accusations require extraordinary evidence. Liberals don't give a shit about any of that, they'd rarther risk military provocation with Russia if it meant Rachel Maddow gets fresh material for her nightly Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Hillary's gang deleted tens of thousands of emails, used hammers on Blackberries, used BleachBit to wipe her servers, all while under active FBI investigation, and yet Trump is the criminal obstructing justice because he "hoped" Comey would go easy on Micheal Flynn for appearing at a paid speech for RT alongside presidential candidate Jill Stein. The manufactured outrage and double-standards and level of hypocrisy from liberals is incredible.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Same hypervetilating horse-feathers we've heard every day for a year. Trump's REAL "crime" is that the snobs, couch-fainters and pearl-clutchers don't like his style. "ZOMG! Drumpf drinks his tea without sticking out his pinky. I'm getting the vapours!"
It's style-points over and over and over... as if the fashion of "sore loser" is back in vogue these days. It's like Alistair Campbell bitching for a decade that we need a 2005 do-over because "he could have died." It gets tiresome and convinces nobody.
Yes this.
People love to whine about him not being "presidential" or "uncouth" but who really gives a shit anymore. Politics has always been about style over substance and is increasingly more about appearing to do something rather than actually doing anything. I'll take a shitty bedside manner any day over someone who looks to maintain support by cracking jokes with Jimmy Kimmel or sending cute pictures of his pets. I'll take a competent cockhead any day over an incompetent idiot, but someone who everyone acknowledges is a great guy. That doesn't mean Trump will not turn out to be incompetent or a shit president, but rating him on the style or "warm fuzzy" meter is a waste of time. Ultimately it will be his results or lack of them that we should evaluate his presidency on.
I do agree this tweeting thing is pathetic, but again so what if he does his job properly.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel
I agree he tweets too much and should stay off certain subjects.But it also allows him to bypass the biased MSM who twist or simply won't report on his message. It allows him to stay in touch with his base.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
I wonder if Comey (and others) will in trouble .......
I assume you are referring to this :
So the “leak” to the New York Times, to write the Thursday May 11th story about the dinner in question happened at least four days prior to James Comey stating he intentionally gave memos to his friend Daniel Richman after waking up on Monday night May 15th. That’s lie #1.
Thats already been debunked.
But Kasowitz made a significant error in describing the sequence of events prior to the memo’s disclosure. He claims the public record “reveals that The New York Times was quoting from these memos the day before the referenced tweet, which belies Mr. Comey’s excuse for this unauthorized disclosure of privileged information and appears to be entirely retaliatory.” In fact, Trump posted his tweet about “tapes” of their conversations on May 12. The first Times article about the memos wasn’t published until four days later on May 16. While the Times did publish an article on May 11 describing the January 27 dinner in which Trump purportedly asked Comey for his loyalty, the Times cited officials who recalled Comey’s descriptions of the evening to them, not the memos themselves.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
Comey perjured himself (again) today. He admitted leaking a memo to the media that would have been evidence in the investigation, and claims he did it because of Trump's tweet about "tapes" -- a tweet that Trump posted a day AFTER the NYT was publishing Comey's leak. No wonder this incompetent boob was fired.
Except it wasn't.
So not quite so incompetent.
Comey I mean.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
Comey perjured himself (again) today. He admitted leaking a memo to the media that would have been evidence in the investigation, and claims he did it because of Trump's tweet about "tapes" -- a tweet that Trump posted a day AFTER the NYT was publishing Comey's leak. No wonder this incompetent boob was fired.
Except it wasn't.
So not quite so incompetent.
Comey I mean.
That is up for debate. NYT ran a story a few days before with some stuff that was quite similar to what the leak was....a bit dodgy.
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Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything? How incredibly convenient that there are no notes about Clinton investigation (sorry Clinton matter) meetings.
And let's not even get started on immunity candy he handed out. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
Errrrr no.
What gives you that idea? No difference in the "distance" required. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
Errrrr no.
What gives you that idea? No difference in the "distance" required.Not according to Comey. Whether he is correct or not in that it is the way he viewed it and would explain the different approach
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
Errrrr no.
What gives you that idea? No difference in the "distance" required.Not according to Comey. Whether he is correct or not in that it is the way he viewed it and would explain the different approach
Where did Comey say or define what 'distance ' is?
Lynch has no more right to interfere than Trump. Where does he say otherwise?Even he would now there is zero difference between the president and AG when it comes to interfering with an active investigation.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
Errrrr no.
What gives you that idea? No difference in the "distance" required.Not according to Comey. Whether he is correct or not in that it is the way he viewed it and would explain the different approach
Where did Comey say or define what 'distance ' is?
Lynch has no more right to interfere than Trump. Where does he say otherwise?In his written statement.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
Errrrr no.
What gives you that idea? No difference in the "distance" required.Not according to Comey. Whether he is correct or not in that it is the way he viewed it and would explain the different approach
Where did Comey say or define what 'distance ' is?
Lynch has no more right to interfere than Trump. Where does he say otherwise?In his written statement.
No, he absolutely did not.
Which page and paragraph?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Also how dodgy is it that Lynch asks Comey to not use the word "investigation" about Clinton ... He said that makes him uncomfortable. . but complies. But doesn't take notes in any following meetings. Trump gets in and suddenly he makes notes on everything?
TBF Lynch was his boss, Trump wasn't (in the sense that there is meant to be distance)
Errrrr no.
What gives you that idea? No difference in the "distance" required.Not according to Comey. Whether he is correct or not in that it is the way he viewed it and would explain the different approach
Where did Comey say or define what 'distance ' is?
Lynch has no more right to interfere than Trump. Where does he say otherwise?In his written statement.
No, he absolutely did not.
Which page and paragraph?
3, second to last
At one point, I explained why it was so important that the FBI and the
Department of Justice be independent of the White House
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