Exodus 2018
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@family-man said in Exodus 2018:
@crucial I understand the point you make but as there is no junior all blacks team and has not been for a few years now(in that respect) the Nz 7’s are in Nz terms the 2nd team until therjunior all blacks start up again
You are talking about 2 entirely different things though.
We have never used the 7s to lock in players for XVs but players do know that under WR rules they are committed once they play (Olympic thing aside)
I get what you are saying as well but the 7s are not (and never have been) our 2nd team. They are a different method of eligibility setting.
We simply do not play a '2nd team' (except when selecting the first team against a minnow nation)
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@family-man said in Exodus 2018:
@crucial I understand the point you make but as there is no junior all blacks team and has not been for a few years now(in that respect) the Nz 7’s are in Nz terms the 2nd team until therjunior all blacks start up again
Ok. I get your point. You're right in the first part of this statement but wrong in semantics. 7s are not the 2nd team by definition but they are because there NZR don't run an A team. They are not the Second Team, they are the second team.
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@jauzy019 There isn't too many good halfbacks without a super contract at present. Am thinking of Billy Guyton, kylem O'Donnell, Té Aihe Toma, jono hickey and Chris smiley (whose getting on a bit in age now). O'Donnell looked pretty good at times for taranaki last season though
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Thought this was interesting development in light of recent discussions on here. I’ve thought for a while that there needs to collaboration between NZRU and like minded unions on development and keeping of talent.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11987747
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@pot-hale This is what happens when Ngatai gets poached, NZR goes on a war footing due to the loss of the golden one.
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@bones I was more a Marshall type 9, my pass was shite, and the rest of my game was suited to the side of the scrum, so I moved there when our team had a real 9.
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And you’re joining the Exodus 2018...?
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@billy-tell not sure yet, havent had my call up for the Brisbane 10s....I'm in the right age bracket.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@billy-tell not sure yet, havent had my call up for the Brisbane 10s....I'm in the right age bracket.
I think the way things are going Brian Lochore better start polishing the boots in case the Canes need some extra forwards.
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Interesting comment from Gregor Paul here. Hard to disagree with him honestly. Although surely there is more to it and discussions have already begun for the NZRFU announcement?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11989674
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@majorrage I find it pretty easy to disagree with him, NZR are trying to think up a way to not lose so many players overseas long term. That's not arrogance. Oh, wait it is, because Paul is using the heebee jeebees to pull the subliminal messages floating out there. It makes sense for NZR to make deals with a few clubs as it does allow them a little bit of control. Whether any club would be willing to do that is another thing, but it hardly hurts NZR to try.
Do all rugby journalists eventually just become trolls? This is the kind of article that Ratpoo would write in his on going war with NZR (and rugby in general).
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You don't think there is any arrogance at all in the announcement / plans?
They are only prepared to make plans with clubs which they feel have "sound coaching structures and support systems"? Really? It's coming across as very we own the players and we'll only let them go to clubs which we feel follow our model and way of thinking.
Don't get me wrong - I appreciate the need to move with the times etc, but the announcement made it seem like these clubs would be almost part of the AB system. Which is Pauls' point.
It's arrogance personified.
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@majorrage Why wouldn't a professional organisation want agreements with other professional organisations? Why would we not want our players to go to "sound coaching structures and support systems"?
I'm glad the NZR are wanting to do that and not letting players go to the NH rugby equivalent of the Warriors.
Seriously, what organisation doesn't try and make deals with the best possible other organisations they can?
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This is absolutely in line with my thinking so it’s a big yes from me.
More inter union collaboration please.
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@majorrage I find it pretty easy to disagree with him, NZR are trying to think up a way to not lose so many players overseas long term. That's not arrogance. Oh, wait it is, because Paul is using the heebee jeebees to pull the subliminal messages floating out there. It makes sense for NZR to make deals with a few clubs as it does allow them a little bit of control. Whether any club would be willing to do that is another thing, but it hardly hurts NZR to try.
Do all rugby journalists eventually just become trolls? This is the kind of article that Ratpoo would write in his on going war with NZR (and rugby in general).
+1. It was very Ratpoo-ish in content and style. Yawn.
The NZRFU are being proactive, there won't be anything stopping off-contract players signing with whoever they want, but if they can come to an arrangement with a few targeted clubs, it could be a win-win.
There is quite a constant chip-on-shoulder anti-NZRFU vibe from a fair few NZ journalists.
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@majorrage said in Exodus 2018:
They are only prepared to make plans with clubs which they feel have "sound coaching structures and support systems"? Really? It's coming across as very we own the players and we'll only let them go to clubs which we feel follow our model and way of thinking.
It reads to me as the NZR saying if players want to be a hope of coming back, then they're best served by going to clubs that have structures in place to maximise that possibility. Otherwise they can go play anywhere and take their chances.
I find it consistently amazing that New Zealand leads the world in so many aspects of rugby, but clearly comes dead last in its media driven analysis and reporting.
