Springboks v England - Test #2
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@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@catogrande said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Oh and by the way it is the RFU.
Of course. My bad.
Stands for Rugby Fucked Up doesn't it?
Initially it was the Rugby Football Union but over the years that has morphed into many things. Currently you appear to be correct.
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@catogrande said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@catogrande said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Oh and by the way it is the RFU.
Of course. My bad.
Stands for Rugby Fucked Up doesn't it?
Initially it was the Rugby Football Union but over the years that has morphed into many things. Currently you appear to be correct.
There is a good case for the ERFU still.
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@victor-meldrew mate the media are a bunch of snow flakes that can go and blow one. Youngs was pissed off, I don't blame him I would have been too, have some media arse say go speak to skysports they want a comment. They got one tough shit if they didn''t like it. He didnt feel like giving the stock standard PC media drivel.
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@mikethesnow The savour has fallen he's turning into the new Andrew Sheridan
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@bones said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@victor-meldrew post game interviews are after the whistle right? 😊
Some of his best work.
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@wreck-diver said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@victor-meldrew mate the media are a bunch of snow flakes that can go and blow one. Youngs was pissed off, I don't blame him I would have been too, have some media arse say go speak to skysports they want a comment. They got one tough shit if they didn''t like it. He didnt feel like giving the stock standard PC media drivel.
He should ask himself one question: how is his salary funded?
It was rude and arrogant.
It's another part of his job he failed at on the weekend.
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@snowy said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Eddie’s Rugby Fuck Up.
Well the expression "he dropped the ball" regarding the Shields selection would be appropriate.
This is an underrated Dad joke. Well done.
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@no-quarter Lame. I know, and I'm not even a Dad.
Was trying to come up with something about Eddie needing something to spread his Marmite on but just can't quite get it right (even that sounds seriously wrong).
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Has the RFU still got Lancaster's number?
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Has the RFU still got Lancaster's number?
If the damage is as bad as it looks on the surface bringing in someone new without the option of also changing a huge amount of the personnel won't work at all.
These guys haven't just lost confidence in Eddie's plans they have lost confidence in themselves.
The post match stuff isn't just 'we are hurting' it is frustration in themselves, worry, having to deal with not being as good as you thought you were etc
IMO a new coach would also have to stamp a new regime in place very quickly.
The possible saving grace is that Eddie's style is very 'hard' and someone new could go the other way and try to make trainings and squad work 'fun' to refresh things.The RFU have made a statement of support that was even shorter than a Ben Youngs interview.
BTW: the reason the BY interview was rude was that he walked of while still talking. Think of when someone tries that move on you. Being a pro sportsperson also means sometimes gritting your teeth and facing up. He could have said no more than he did but finished it by looking at the presenter in the eye and saying 'that's all I have at the moment sorry'
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@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Has the RFU still got Lancaster's number?
If the damage is as bad as it looks on the surface bringing in someone new without the option of also changing a huge amount of the personnel won't work at all.
These guys haven't just lost confidence in Eddie's plans they have lost confidence in themselves.
The post match stuff isn't just 'we are hurting' it is frustration in themselves, worry, having to deal with not being as good as you thought you were etc
IMO a new coach would also have to stamp a new regime in place very quickly.
The possible saving grace is that Eddie's style is very 'hard' and someone new could go the other way and try to make trainings and squad work 'fun' to refresh things.The RFU have made a statement of support that was even shorter than a Ben Youngs interview.
BTW: the reason the BY interview was rude was that he walked of while still talking. Think of when someone tries that move on you. Being a pro sportsperson also means sometimes gritting your teeth and facing up. He could have said no more than he did but finished it by looking at the presenter in the eye and saying 'that's all I have at the moment sorry'
I was being rather facetious
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Has the RFU still got Lancaster's number?
If the damage is as bad as it looks on the surface bringing in someone new without the option of also changing a huge amount of the personnel won't work at all.
These guys haven't just lost confidence in Eddie's plans they have lost confidence in themselves.
The post match stuff isn't just 'we are hurting' it is frustration in themselves, worry, having to deal with not being as good as you thought you were etc
IMO a new coach would also have to stamp a new regime in place very quickly.
The possible saving grace is that Eddie's style is very 'hard' and someone new could go the other way and try to make trainings and squad work 'fun' to refresh things.The RFU have made a statement of support that was even shorter than a Ben Youngs interview.
BTW: the reason the BY interview was rude was that he walked of while still talking. Think of when someone tries that move on you. Being a pro sportsperson also means sometimes gritting your teeth and facing up. He could have said no more than he did but finished it by looking at the presenter in the eye and saying 'that's all I have at the moment sorry'
I was being rather facetious
I know, but with the RFU nothing would be a surprise. Lancaster is actually a very good coach but his time at the helm showcased just what I was saying. Unless you come in at a time of major personnel change the underlying issues are very difficult to wipe away.
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@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@crucial said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Has the RFU still got Lancaster's number?
If the damage is as bad as it looks on the surface bringing in someone new without the option of also changing a huge amount of the personnel won't work at all.
These guys haven't just lost confidence in Eddie's plans they have lost confidence in themselves.
The post match stuff isn't just 'we are hurting' it is frustration in themselves, worry, having to deal with not being as good as you thought you were etc
IMO a new coach would also have to stamp a new regime in place very quickly.
The possible saving grace is that Eddie's style is very 'hard' and someone new could go the other way and try to make trainings and squad work 'fun' to refresh things.The RFU have made a statement of support that was even shorter than a Ben Youngs interview.
BTW: the reason the BY interview was rude was that he walked of while still talking. Think of when someone tries that move on you. Being a pro sportsperson also means sometimes gritting your teeth and facing up. He could have said no more than he did but finished it by looking at the presenter in the eye and saying 'that's all I have at the moment sorry'
I was being rather facetious
I know, but with the RFU nothing would be a surprise. Lancaster is actually a very good coach but his time at the helm showcased just what I was saying. Unless you come in at a time of major personnel change the underlying issues are very difficult to wipe away.
We have seen this happen time and time again.True that
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The RFU have today given Eddie Jones their full backing.
That normally means he'll be gone in 3-4 weeks...
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They are stuck with Eddie until the next WC, that is 100% guaranteed.
I say stuck with, but I think he's a good coach and will see them fine. They have looked a little toothless of late, but I don't think (with the exception of the last match) they have really fallen that far behind the opposition. It's a shit time to be touring right now - injuries, end of season etc.
Results certainly haven't been good enough, and changes to approach are required, but I still think EJ is the right man.
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It's the whole Press & RFU expecting instant results which creates a vicious circle. Too much looking for quick fixes, looking for the next "wonder-player" import* and patting themselves on the back when winning. And not enough looking at the deep seated problems.
It's a bloody, never-ending mess which has claimed the likes of Lancaster, Johnson & Best. No wonder decent coaches are loath to get involved with the England job.
You have to seriously feel for the decent Pom rugby supporter
*Rumours that the RFU pressured Lancaster into picking Sam Burgess still abound
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@majorrage said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
It's a shit time to be touring right now - injuries, end of season etc.
I take your point, but that hasn't stopped Ireland (regardless of next week's result) and Wales having successful tours.
The problems lie much deeper with almost open warfare between the clubs and Jones, a cash-strapped RFU and falling participation in the game.
Cant blame Jones for taking £750k when it's waved enthusiastically in his face
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@victor-meldrew yep, fair points. Although I would argue hoarsely that right now, SA is a tougher place to be touring than either Australia or Argentina. The opposition is better, and Ireland is borderline playing home tests.
Australia have looked good though, so nothing should be taken away from them.
Ireland are a better team than England at this point in time though, that is unarguable.
