Use of the TMO
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@arhs said in Use of the TMO:
This worries me as a precedent for referee, tmo and judiciary. If a player is in any contact within a few seconds of a challenge, does this exonerate them for mis-timing a challenge, regardless of the outcome?
Didn't this happen to Naholo last year or the year before when he got bumped by a defender and then made a clumsy challenge as his body position changed? The degree of contact in these situations is very subjective though.
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@bovidae said in Use of the TMO:
@arhs said in Use of the TMO:
This worries me as a precedent for referee, tmo and judiciary. If a player is in any contact within a few seconds of a challenge, does this exonerate them for mis-timing a challenge, regardless of the outcome?
Didn't this happen to Naholo last year or the year before when he got bumped by a defender and then made a clumsy challenge as his body position changed? The degree of contact in these situations is very subjective though.
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The difference in outcome is the telling factor there, although I will say that's well refereed.
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I think the brief contact with ALB and the "off balance" argument is used because they can't say openly that the Judicial Committee was wrong. I think they just want to reinforce the rule and that Gardner got it right.
If I were a ref, I would go about it in the same way as Angus Gardner has. I'd give red again in the same situation. Let them find the excuse to dismiss the red card afterwards if there was one that wasn't obvious enough to not give a red in the first place. Player safety is too important.
This is an entirely different discussion from whether there should be an orange card instead of a red card. So, as long as there isn't, this same situation warrants a red all day, every day.
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Whether or not you agree with rule, Gardner was right to give red. If the same thing happens in the next 100 games of rugby, the refs will give out 100 reds.
World Rugby are just massively throwing him under the bus here, contradicting their entire last few years of campaigning for and punishing against anything around player safety. Which is the same as they did the week prior for Ofa.
But they let Ofa off, and to appease the masses, they are now letting Fall off.
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@majorrage although interestingly, seemed people were split as to who deserved a card on that; some both, some neither, some Cane, some Ofa
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It may have been said but I'll reinforce it.
Fall had responsibility to
A. know where players were and
B. avoid the collisionThat includes players running a straight line backwards which supposedly contributed to the collision. To me it reinforces his guilt not excuses it.
I'm not going into the politics of the Judiciary cop out.
The Naholo incident was very different, in the action of the catcher, the action of the interfering player, the timing of the interference and the landing of the catcher.
I agree with @taniwharugby that I could see justifiable outcomes ranging from no action through to bans for both Cane and Ofa. However I think they got close to getting it 100% correct, although Cane may have been lucky.
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Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No.
x2
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@mariner4life you just got one?
TMO can barely get other shit right, let alone requiring him to learn physics.
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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A drone aerial camera would be cool actually
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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ignore physics?
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@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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ignore physics?
?
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@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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ignore physics?
?
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@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
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ignore physics?
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This is the problem.
You have 10 year old kids who could fly a drone up and down the field / fly by wire technology so you have perfect parallel lines at the time of ball release and we still have to look at footage as if it's shot from the commentator's box.
FFS
If we can watch Special Ops take out 'the enemy' thousands of miles from home. Live. Via drone. Surely to God we can work out 120 m worth of turf
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@gt12 said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@mariner4life said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
@rapido said in Use of the TMO:
@mikethesnow said in Use of the TMO:
Can the TMO work out forward passes please?
Or buy me a new TV
No, because their view via a tv angle is as bad as yours. Refs are in best place to view, but the forward pass rule is currently 'wrong' imo. It's almost unrefereeable. This is of 'our' own making.
Personally, I'd like the rule to be it needs to go obviously backwards, but under current interpretations you'll gets just as many wrong decisions by TMOs IMO trying to rule inside passes on the 45 degree angle. It won't remove the controversy, just shift it.
Aerial camera
Superimposed lines on image
Play tapeJob done
ignore physics?
?
It really didn't help that this video was circulated last year by journo's up here as being bullshit and widely discredited. A classic case of tail wagging the dog.
When the IRB produce a video showing how something is ruled, then thats gospel, isn't it?
Gospel, by Gosper.
