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Turnbull couldnāt explain why there were 38 Newspolls against the Government he led, yet he was able to explain it for why there were 30 under Abbott? Not too sure many can swallow that sort of duplicity. That has nothing to do with whiteanting etc. Turnbull really struggled to tell a coherent message. There were plenty of Ministers that could but as PM you are out there everyday and so you better stay on message.
@mariner4life in response to your question about the future, I think what it boils down to is that if Dutton hasnāt done what he did then the same problems would still exist come next week and the the week after. What is the the energy policy? What is the tax policy? What is....
Morrison and Frydenberg is a reset. Neither are beholden to Abbott or Turnbull.
Itās not too dissimilar to back in 2006 when Rudd and Gillard took over as the Labor leadership. Nether had any baggage of the Crean, Beasley, Latham eras. They won an election and these guys will be hoping for the same.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Turnbull's exit speech to the media was gold. Threw hand grenades at the fuckwits in his own party as well as the fuckwits in the media.
Pointed out that voters would have the shits, and be utterly dumbfounded at the disunity shown by the wreckers in the party.
Considering he did exactly the same thing, it's extreme hypocrisy for him to complain about it. He can go fuck himself. Worse thing John Howard ever did was convincing this egomaniac to stay in politics. Good riddance.
He's also completely salted the earth for the Liberal Party. Class, just pure class.
just so we are clear, is salting the earth better or worse than 3 years of white anting?
Which is exactly what he did to Abbott.
The point is I don't think there's anything funny or admirable about his performance at that press conference. It simply showed what an egotistical piston wristed gibbon he is and always has been. Never gave a shit about the party and no doubt he'll now do everything to destroy it as a talking head. He is poison.
You're describing Abbott?
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Turnbull's exit speech to the media was gold. Threw hand grenades at the fuckwits in his own party as well as the fuckwits in the media.
Pointed out that voters would have the shits, and be utterly dumbfounded at the disunity shown by the wreckers in the party.
Considering he did exactly the same thing, it's extreme hypocrisy for him to complain about it. He can go fuck himself. Worse thing John Howard ever did was convincing this egomaniac to stay in politics. Good riddance.
He's also completely salted the earth for the Liberal Party. Class, just pure class.
just so we are clear, is salting the earth better or worse than 3 years of white anting?
Which is exactly what he did to Abbott.
The point is I don't think there's anything funny or admirable about his performance at that press conference. It simply showed what an egotistical piston wristed gibbon he is and always has been. Never gave a shit about the party and no doubt he'll now do everything to destroy it as a talking head. He is poison.
we're talking about your hero Abbott right? because this is a perfect summation
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Turnbull's exit speech to the media was gold. Threw hand grenades at the fuckwits in his own party as well as the fuckwits in the media.
Pointed out that voters would have the shits, and be utterly dumbfounded at the disunity shown by the wreckers in the party.
Considering he did exactly the same thing, it's extreme hypocrisy for him to complain about it. He can go fuck himself. Worse thing John Howard ever did was convincing this egomaniac to stay in politics. Good riddance.
He's also completely salted the earth for the Liberal Party. Class, just pure class.
Given he pretty much single-handedly facilitated a handover to the most electable leader over the past 24 hours from a terminal position yesterday I think he did well by the party.
He fingered Abbott and Dutton alone, he could have named a dozen more - but didn't.
As if he planned that for the good of the party. He just wanted to sabotage Dutton. And did a fine job of it btw. But no way was he thinking about anyone but himself.
In the death throes of leadership it is hard to parse what is purely ego and what comes across that way because they believe they believe they have the best judgement when it comes to the interests of the party.
No one worshiped and fetishised the Liberal party, it's founder and history more than John Howard yet in the final 6 months yet with the firm knowledge cabinet & party wanted him to stand down while staring down the barrel of losing his own seat he still hung on for what seems like ego.
Keating's motivations in 1991 were almost purely self interest and ego and they got another unexpected term out of it.
No one comes out of this clean, and sure Turnbull was never 'of the party' like someone who came up through the Young Libs would be - but enough Liberal party elders have come out in support of him and trashing Abbott to make me wonder who Menzies would find more common ground with today.
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@booboo said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Turnbull's exit speech to the media was gold. Threw hand grenades at the fuckwits in his own party as well as the fuckwits in the media.
Pointed out that voters would have the shits, and be utterly dumbfounded at the disunity shown by the wreckers in the party.
Considering he did exactly the same thing, it's extreme hypocrisy for him to complain about it. He can go fuck himself. Worse thing John Howard ever did was convincing this egomaniac to stay in politics. Good riddance.
He's also completely salted the earth for the Liberal Party. Class, just pure class.
just so we are clear, is salting the earth better or worse than 3 years of white anting?
Which is exactly what he did to Abbott.
The point is I don't think there's anything funny or admirable about his performance at that press conference. It simply showed what an egotistical piston wristed gibbon he is and always has been. Never gave a shit about the party and no doubt he'll now do everything to destroy it as a talking head. He is poison.
You're describing Abbott?
No disagree. Abbott became leader the first time because of a party member revolt and similar thing happened now to get Nobrows to take out Turnbull. He has his ear to the ground far more than Turnbull when concerning Actual LP members. Ultimately it's a conservative, centre-right party and Abbott is far more representative of that and willing to retain that than Turnbull who (like Rudd) will basically be anything on any given day.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
. He has his ear to the ground far more than Turnbull when concerning Actual LP members. Ultimately it's a conservative, centre-right party and Abbott is far more representative of that and willing to retain that
I'd point out that the chosen candidates of "Actual LP members" knifed Abbott as soon as it was clear he was well right of the Liberal standard and damaging their reputation while he was at it.
Largely the same candidates put a bullet through Dutton two times in a week.
You seem to think that Abbott is in the middle of the Libs' "broad church".
The party IS centre-right, no doubt.
Abbott is merely right of centre - well to the right.
As is Dutton. As is Hillsong Morrison, and a few others.
The fact that they stick to their guns when proven demonstrably wrong or unsuitable for a position is not a Liberal Party value, and neither is Mal's flip flopping to retain his position. It's somewhere in between, but the extremes of the party in the age of division politics could never reconcile that.
So did you get a root?
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@nta said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
. He has his ear to the ground far more than Turnbull when concerning Actual LP members. Ultimately it's a conservative, centre-right party and Abbott is far more representative of that and willing to retain that
I'd point out that the chosen candidates of "Actual LP members" knifed Abbott as soon as it was clear he was well right of the Liberal standard and damaging their reputation while he was at it.
Largely the same candidates put a bullet through Dutton two times in a week.
You seem to think that Abbott is in the middle of the Libs' "broad church".
The party IS centre-right, no doubt.
Abbott is merely right of centre - well to the right.
As is Dutton. As is Hillsong Morrison, and a few others.
The fact that they stick to their guns when proven demonstrably wrong or unsuitable for a position is not a Liberal Party value, and neither is Mal's flip flopping to retain his position. It's somewhere in between, but the extremes of the party in the age of division politics could never reconcile that.
So did you get a root?
They didn't knife him because he was "well right of their position". Abbott is a big govt wet ffs. Go on conservative blogs and see what they have to say about this so-called Neo-con. They call him a lefty. They knifed him because he was on the nose with the electorate. That had more to do with his personality than his politics.
Yes š Going for SANZAR this weekend.
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So just to reaffirm that this was never just about him and his enormous ego and he actually really cares about that Liberal Party, Turnbull has resigned from his seat, pissed off to New York and will most likely be sojourning around Europe instead of helping his party win his seat.
Fuck him. And just to avoid any misunderstandings here, Abbott can join him ok?
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@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Caring about the party and personal ambition, before caring about the electorate is what got all of them into this mess, since Howard became unpopular enough to let a guy like Rudd step in.
Headed in this instance by Dutton, Cash, Cormann, and Fifield.
Yes Howard went on too long and should have resigned, but ditching him because it was "time" is utterly retarded. I'll blame a fat, spoilt and clueless electorate for that. Idiots.
Those you mentioned aren't in the same league as Turnbull.
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Female Liberal MP releases statement on not contesting next election. From memory she won a fairly solid Labor seat which was good work. Claims there had been a rise in bullying and unsavoury behaviour in the party.
Betoota Advocate are on it.
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
Remember the Aussie pm has changed so itās time to check your smoke alarm batteries .
Stolen from somewhere I canāt remember.
My Facebook feed had the same joke posted about four-five times in a row. Along with a bunch of other unfunny political jokes.
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@hooroo said in Aussie Politics:
@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
Remember the Aussie pm has changed so itās time to check your smoke alarm batteries .
Stolen from somewhere I canāt remember.
Earlier on in this thread maybe?
Was it? Damn . No worries itāll be relevant again in a couple of months so Iāll post it then.
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
@hooroo said in Aussie Politics:
@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
Remember the Aussie pm has changed so itās time to check your smoke alarm batteries .
Stolen from somewhere I canāt remember.
Earlier on in this thread maybe?
Was it? Damn . No worries itāll be relevant again in a couple of months so Iāll post it then.
I'm not actually sure, just assumed so.
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Keep it on your speed dial.
Morrison is a fluffier bunny than Turnbull, so I doubt whether he'll be partial to an election before he's had time to rack up a few months in office. Probably knows they're fucked at the next one so will just piss along until he's got some more investment properties laid in.
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