AB "What could have been" XV
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- H Reid (stuck behind an AB captain)
- J Drake (just 1 proper season as an AB then retired for work reasons)
- R Willis (huge potential)
- M Brooke (probably 3rd best lock in NZ for 3 or 4 years and never an AB)
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- D Monkly
- P Lam (not 1992 Lam, but 1998 and 99 Lam when he was in Northampton and Hart was playing midgets at number-eight)
- Dean Kenney (post David Kirk, pre G Bachop)
- F Botica (after becoming a pro at Wigan he worked on his weakness, and became dead-eye dick goalkicker, Would have been handy in 93, 94)
- J Goldsmith (AB at 18, leg shattered at 19)
- C Ngatai
- Jeremy Stanley
- N Berryman (he looked amazing at 14 for Northland in 1991 NPC as an 18 year old, but he kept 'growing', took another 6 or 7 years to finally carve out his niche as a fat centre)
- M Ridge (it took 5 years to properly replace Gallagher, amazing)
Can't think of an unlucky 6 or loosehead. Even 14 I'm stretching it with Berryman, maybe Clamp coinciding with Kirwan's career would be a more realistic choice.
Was tough selecting at fullback (Osbourne), centre (Kahui), Hooker (Hewitt).
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@gt12 said in AB "What could have been" XV:
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@rapido said in AB "What could have been" XV:
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- H Reid (stuck behind an AB captain)
- J Drake (just 1 proper season as an AB then retired for work reasons)
- R Willis (huge potential)
- M Brooke (probably 3rd best lock in NZ for 3 or 4 years and never an AB)
- ?
- D Monkly
- P Lam (not 1992 Lam, but 1998 and 99 Lam when he was in Northampton and Hart was playing midgets at number-eight)
- Dean Kenney (post David Kirk, pre G Bachop)
- F Botica (after becoming a pro at Wigan he worked on his weakness, and became dead-eye dick goalkicker, Would have been handy in 93, 94)
- J Goldsmith (AB at 18, leg shattered at 19)
- C Ngatai
- Jeremy Stanley
- N Berryman (he looked amazing at 14 for Northland in 1991 NPC as an 18 year old, but he kept 'growing', took another 6 or 7 years to finally carve out his niche as a fat centre)
- M Ridge (it took 5 years to properly replace Gallagher, amazing)
Can't think of an unlucky 6 or loosehead. Even 14 I'm stretching it with Berryman, maybe Clamp coinciding with Kirwan's career would be a more realistic choice.
Was tough selecting at fullback (Osbourne), centre (Kahui), Hooker (Hewitt).
Ngatai can fuck off from that team. Put Marty Berry there instead. He's from that era
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@tim said in AB "What could have been" XV:
Six is Gus Collins. Best in NZ in 2003 by a long way. Then he had heart problems.
Gus Collins was Reuben Thorne with talent
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Two players I thought when watching should have had a career and a longer career in Black:
Roy Kinikinilau
David HillRoy had all/has (still playing for the Ricoh Black Rams according to Wiki) all the talent but just seemed to drift off and lack involvement in games. But when he was on he was lethal in attack.
David Hill I thought had all the tools and was one of the best thinking 10's going at the time, was very strategic I thought. He was one of the biggest 5/8ths going around. He's also still playing for the Toshiba Brave Lupus with Richard Kahui.
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@roninwc said in AB "What could have been" XV:
Two players I thought when watching should have had a career and a longer career in Black:
Roy Kinikinilau
David HillRoy had all/has (still playing for the Ricoh Black Rams according to Wiki) all the talent but just seemed to drift off and lack involvement in games. But when he was on he was lethal in attack.
David Hill I thought had all the tools and was one of the best thinking 10's going at the time, was very strategic I thought. He was one of the biggest 5/8ths going around. He's also still playing for the Toshiba Brave Lupus with Richard Kahui.
I’ll take Hill. He was a skilful player and had good temperament, quality boot and was stronger than he looked. But Roy was an erratic player that was as you say not even noticeable in some games. Not test quality IMO.
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@roninwc said in AB "What could have been" XV:
Two players I thought when watching should have had a career and a longer career in Black:
Roy Kinikinilau
David HillRoy had all/has (still playing for the Ricoh Black Rams according to Wiki) all the talent but just seemed to drift off and lack involvement in games. But when he was on he was lethal in attack.
David Hill I thought had all the tools and was one of the best thinking 10's going at the time, was very strategic I thought. He was one of the biggest 5/8ths going around. He's also still playing for the Toshiba Brave Lupus with Richard Kahui.
I watched a replay of the 2006 NPC final last week between Waikato and Wellington. I thought I better watch Waikato win once that week - little did I know.
Anyway, Hill was the Waikato 2nd 5 in that game, playing outside Donald. He was very good against Umaga and was successful with every kick at goal. I think 2nd 5 was his best position as he was a big guy.
Kinikinilau was an unused sub for Waikato in that game. Agree with @ACT-Crusader about him.
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@bovidae said in AB "What could have been" XV:
@roninwc said in AB "What could have been" XV:
Two players I thought when watching should have had a career and a longer career in Black:
Roy Kinikinilau
David HillRoy had all/has (still playing for the Ricoh Black Rams according to Wiki) all the talent but just seemed to drift off and lack involvement in games. But when he was on he was lethal in attack.
David Hill I thought had all the tools and was one of the best thinking 10's going at the time, was very strategic I thought. He was one of the biggest 5/8ths going around. He's also still playing for the Toshiba Brave Lupus with Richard Kahui.
I watched a replay of the 2006 NPC final last week between Waikato and Wellington. I thought I better watch Waikato win once that week - little did I know.
Anyway, Hill was the Waikato 2nd 5 in that game, playing outside Donald. He was very good against Umaga and was successful with every kick at goal. I think 2nd 5 was his best position as he was a big guy.
Kinikinilau was an unused sub for Waikato in that game. Agree with @ACT-Crusader about him.
Hill is Dan Vettoris cousin as well.
Him and Donald were pretty damn similar players from memory.
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A few from Taranaki who were sawn off by injury . Mark Allen , Jason Eaton and James Broadhurst . All probably due consideration for such a team .
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@TheWolf said in AB "What could have been" XV:
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@TheWolf said in AB "What could have been" XV:
@MajorRage
Best comment on here by far..... everyone missed it.Ummm ..... what?
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@shark said in AB "What could have been" XV:
Stu Loe
Matt Sexton
Kevin Nepia
Grant Kelly
Mark McAtamney
Greg Smith
Angus Gardiner
Rob Penney
Ben Hurst
Derek Maisey / Mal Arnold / Hamish Gard
Cam McIntyre
Adam Whitelock
FABJM
James Kerr
Daryl LilleyJames Kerr. Big fan of his work back in the day. Sidestepping Tana.....tackling Jonah.....he could do it all
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@shark said in AB "What could have been" XV:
Stu Loe
Matt Sexton
Kevin Nepia
Grant Kelly
Mark McAtamney
Greg Smith
Angus Gardiner
Rob Penney
Ben Hurst
Derek Maisey / Mal Arnold / Hamish Gard
Cam McIntyre
Adam Whitelock
FABJM
James Kerr
Daryl LilleyI suggest what could have been would have been a lot of losses.
