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@jegga I wouldn't say this was at all deliberate. I wonder if she would have ever spoken if it wasn't raised in Parliament first.
If she wanted to do maximum damage, she would have waited 3 months until the election campaign began.
Now, Labor have time to select a new leader and right the ship (somewhat) before March.
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Gees reading the statement is interesting. This Foley creep went up behind her put his hand through a slit in her dress and then into her underwear cupping a cheek all in full view of her friend and fellow ABC reporter Scott something. Neither her or Scott said anything to Foley, he left and then she told Scott not to say anything to anyone.
Can you imagine working in such an industry where you just accept sexual abuse as part of climbing the career ladder or even worse where you'll watch a friend of yours getting assaulted while you just stand there like a fucken chump too scared to hurt your own career?
Reporters should report. It's disgusting all round. The older I get the more I realise there are two types of people in this world, those with principles and those without.
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@rembrandt I wonder if it's people who want harm on anyone who's made a better life than them vs people who just think, meh, up to them to live how they want.
That best explains toxic masculinity and white privilege hysteria
Until a strong social more is abused, then it's a criminal affair as stipulated and codified by societal law.
Edit, been listening to Peterson asking toxic masculinity and oppressive patriarchy proponents what they actually mean - no coherent answers given yet
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@rembrandt said in Aussie Politics:
Reporters should report. It's disgusting all round. The older I get the more I realise there are two types of people in this world, those with principles and those without.
I disagree it's 'disgusting all round'. He is the only one who is 'disgusting' here. And are you saying she doesn't have principles? Jesus.
I've never been in her position, and thus I don't think I can fully grasp the choices she had at her disposal in that moment and in the immediate aftermath.
Either way, in revealling what happened she now sees her name/face/story on the front page of every paper, AND has been called a liar and looks like she might be sued.
Given that reaction, I can 100% see why she took the decision to remain silent and just get on with her life.
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@rembrandt said in Aussie Politics:
Can you imagine working in such an industry where you just accept sexual abuse as part of climbing the career ladder
I'm not sure that career has ever been mentioned.
"I didn't say anything because I didn't want to destroy my fucking life over it" is probably closer to the truth, as @barbarian implies above.
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Did these two have any past history? The Labor party and the ABC are pretty close. Although actually the ABC are ridiculousy overrepresented by Greens voters.
Will be interesting to see if he brings a defamation case. If there were so many witnesses then he's well and truly farked.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@rembrandt said in Aussie Politics:
Reporters should report. It's disgusting all round. The older I get the more I realise there are two types of people in this world, those with principles and those without.
I disagree it's 'disgusting all round'. He is the only one who is 'disgusting' here. And are you saying she doesn't have principles? Jesus.
I've never been in her position, and thus I don't think I can fully grasp the choices she had at her disposal in that moment and in the immediate aftermath.
Either way, in revealling what happened she now sees her name/face/story on the front page of every paper, AND has been called a liar and looks like she might be sued.
Given that reaction, I can 100% see why she took the decision to remain silent and just get on with her life.
I should have been a little clearer in my wording. By 'disgusting all around' I mean the action and the kind of industry that this sort of thing is tolerated. Certainly if you are the one being touched up that is a very lonely place if your industry tolerates it and doesn't like to 'rock the boat'. She does say in her statement part of the reason for keeping quiet was because of her career, she was likely 100% correct there too hence why its so disgusting, as too her male colleagues reaction watching the offence, could you sit by and watch that without doing anything? Only he knows why he didn't immediately react for sure but it's not a hard argument to make that its for fear of harming his own career. This reeks like the whole Hollywood Weinstein situation.
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@rembrandt I'm not sure it's got anything to do with that industry. I think it's across the board - a powerful man abusing a woman at the start of her career. Happens everywhere. It naturally throws up a million questions in the mind of the woman, and any witnesses.
In this case, it appears the one witness was a close friend of the woman, and he respected her wishes not to push it further. That's a tough spot to be in.
To me it's not Weinstein. She didn't complain, nothing was 'covered up'. Everything was done per her wishes. It's a bit different to the Hollywood culture where this stuff was hushed up and victims paid off etc.
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@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Wow.
Which begs the question: was the Labor hierarchy aware of this incident and if so why didn't they do anything about it?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Wow.
Which begs the question: was the Labor hierarchy aware of this incident and if so why didn't they do anything about it?
When labour found out Dover Samuels got an underage girl in his care pregnant why wasn’t he sacked ?
When labour found out Darren Hughes tried to force himself on a drunk unconscious teenager why wasn’t he sacked ?
When the police were called to two previous summer camps over sexual offences why weren’t steps taken to avoid it happening a third time ?
Notice a theme?
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@rancid-schnitzel I believe many people were aware that an incident took place, but no-one (apart from the victim and her friend) knew exactly what it was.
He denied it strongly, so they backed him in. I bet many of them feel pretty foolish about that now, though.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@rembrandt I'm not sure it's got anything to do with that industry. I think it's across the board - a powerful man abusing a woman at the start of her career. Happens everywhere. It naturally throws up a million questions in the mind of the woman, and any witnesses.
In this case, it appears the one witness was a close friend of the woman, and he respected her wishes not to push it further. That's a tough spot to be in.
To me it's not Weinstein. She didn't complain, nothing was 'covered up'. Everything was done per her wishes. It's a bit different to the Hollywood culture where this stuff was hushed up and victims paid off etc.
This is exactly the type of incident the MeToo movement was meant to be about. I guess it was inevitable it would get co-opted by radical feminists and lose credibility, but it's a shame as this type of behaviour really needs to be stamped right the fuck out.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel I believe many people were aware that an incident took place, but no-one (apart from the victim and her friend) knew exactly what it was.
He denied it strongly, so they backed him in. I bet many of them feel pretty foolish about that now, though.
I'm just wondering how people knew of an incident occurring if there were only two witnesses and both said nothing about it.
Either there were more witnesses or one or both of the known witnesses told someone.
The way in which Foley is being thrown under the bus would suggest the party knew about but was counting on it staying a secret.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@rembrandt I'm not sure it's got anything to do with that industry. I think it's across the board - a powerful man abusing a woman at the start of her career. Happens everywhere. It naturally throws up a million questions in the mind of the woman, and any witnesses.
Well I already have a below zero respect for media as it is especially with their innate political biases these days. You're right about the million questions and that is an issue, instead of questions it should have been an instinctual principled "hey fuckface, get your hands off her" and that should apply to anyone who sees anything like this. If he is steadfastingly still denying it it will be interesting to see if others come out of the wood-work to speak out. You'd think chances are someone who is confident enough to do such an act in public and not face any repercussions until now could very well have done this before and since.
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I don't want to get in an argument about it, but it's far easier IMO to come on here and say what could/should have been done at the time.
I've never been in a situation like that, and don't wish it on anyone. I find it very hard to condemn anyone's actions here, other than of course Foley.
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@rembrandt said in Aussie Politics:
Well I already have a below zero respect for media as it is especially with their innate political biases these days
"These days"?
Decades of Murdoch at least being Kingmaker in Australian political circles.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
I don't want to get in an argument about it, but it's far easier IMO to come on here and say what could/should have been done at the time.
I've never been in a situation like that, and don't wish it on anyone. I find it very hard to condemn anyone's actions here, other than of course Foley.
Clearly there is far more to this situation than just the incident occurring and the two witnesses being totally mute about it. If that was the case you wouldn't have a Liberal making accusations in parliament or all the apparent "rumours". As I said, either other people witnessed what happened and they too said nothing or the two witnesses we do know about told other people.
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@nta said in Aussie Politics:
@rembrandt said in Aussie Politics:
Well I already have a below zero respect for media as it is especially with their innate political biases these days
"These days"?
Decades of Murdoch at least being Kingmaker in Australian political circles.
Nick that is exaggerated and overblown.
There are people that have worked for Murdoch outlets that have tried to act like kingmakers, but Murdoch isn’t pulling the strings. The egos of the chief editors and some journos is where it happens.
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