Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?
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Nonu's performances were always up and down in Super Rugby, the opposite of his time in the ABs once he was the established 2nd 5. Sometimes he looked disinterested. If he is serious about pushing for a place in the 2019 RWC squad he's going to roll back the years to 2015 form.
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@bovidae said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Nonu's performances were always up and down in Super Rugby, the opposite of his time in the ABs once he was the established 2nd 5. Sometimes he looked disinterested. If he is serious about pushing for a place in the 2019 RWC squad he's going to roll back the years to 2015 form.
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@kirwan said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?
Leon MacDonald, Nonu, Kaino off the top of my head.
II'll give you Kaino (although he was talking about coming back before he left), Nonu's was a sabbatical, MacDonald's was effectively a sabattical. The hurdle seems to be when a player mentally has shut the door on playing for the ABs again and the sharpness and fitness goes as a result, prying the door open again seems to be bloody tough.
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@rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@kirwan said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?
Leon MacDonald, Nonu, Kaino off the top of my head.
II'll give you Kaino (although he was talking about coming back before he left), Nonu's was a sabbatical, MacDonald's was effectively a sabattical. The hurdle seems to be when a player mentally has shut the door on playing for the ABs again and the sharpness and fitness goes as a result, prying the door open again seems to be bloody tough.
Lucre was the cautionary tale that springs to mind. Thought he could go off and get paid, then come back and get back in, but he was worse when he got back. He didn't have Nonu's gifts though. Having met him in passing once, the guy is a total farking meast, like a squared off block of granite. He always seemed more durable than the rest. I can't recall him ever really getting injured
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I say yay.
On the theory that the only way he gets back in is if he is absolutely killing it. His best form equates to the best 12 i have ever seen, why overlook that on principle?
Of course the chances of that form reappearing at e very very slim, it's 15 years since he made his debut!!
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@westcoastie said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
What happens if Ma'a Nonu makes Super Rugby his bitch in 2019? like he's the form midfielder...
Does he make the AB's or not?In the unlikely event that happened, easily.
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Whats Conrad Smith up to? DC is just finishing up a season in Japan. Could his arm be twisted as well.
9.Smith
10 DC*
11. Ioane
12.Nonu
13. Smith
14. Smith
15. Barrett- DC doesn't have to play any Super Rugby or RC as he was shit in 2015 just needs to turn it up at the RWC.
Oh and yes to Nonu if he brings the noise.
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@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
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@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
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@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
He started slow but you can't deny the latter years of his career were GOAT level
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@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn
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@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn
no no, that's too big a lure to catch anything, you need to be waaay more subtle than that.
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@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn
no no, that's too big a lure to catch anything, you need to be waaay more subtle than that.
Not everyone is high brow like you. Hooroo might go Walter Little, Aaron Maurer....even old mate Alama Ieremia
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@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn
no no, that's too big a lure to catch anything, you need to be waaay more subtle than that.
Not everyone is high brow like you. Hooroo might go Walter Little, Aaron Maurer....even old mate Alama Ieremia
well, it depends on which island you are fishing off really.
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@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Horan for most consistent?
I'm kind of arguing against myself here as I think when Ma'a was at his best he has no equal as he was immense on attack, defence and distribution. But man o man were there some rusty years too
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@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Horan for most consistent?
I'm kind of arguing against myself here as I think when Ma'a was at his best he has no equal as he was immense on attack, defence and distribution. But man o man were there some rusty years too
oh yea world wide it's Horan by the length of the straight. I thought we were talking NZ only.
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@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
@mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:
Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.
He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!
I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.
Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes
yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.
Who would you call most consistent?
Horan for most consistent?
I'm kind of arguing against myself here as I think when Ma'a was at his best he has no equal as he was immense on attack, defence and distribution. But man o man were there some rusty years too
He was frustrating early on as he would mix the sublime with the ridiculous. A little like DMac right now albeit very different mold of player. He took quite a while to iron out the bad parts of his game but when he did we were just left with the sublime for 4 years.
