Grace Millane
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@nepia yeah one case I was called for, but didnt get on was a historical sex abise case of a dude that was 70odd with kids dating back into the 70s and 80s.
I did not like the fact they read every single charge with a bit of detail as to the charge, then you dont get on but you know too much about it already, something I will never forget.
Next one involved my old neighbours (I have mentioned them a fair bit on here before in various threads...) and I can tell you I certainly had some pre-conceived ideas about the charges I heard, again, in far too much detail.
Fortunately the one I am on now, 2 days tops and wont be too emotionally taxing and wont be one that'll bother me greatly regardless of the result.
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@taniwharugby Jesus, that's rough. Also weird you got called up for your (TSF famouse) neighbours trial too.
The rape case I mentioned went for over three weeks so really wasn't pleasant for my friend.
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@antipodean said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
If I'd been charged with murder, I'd want name suppression too. At least till I was found guilty...
On the road much of today and listening to talk back and Yes, while the lynch mob are all baying for blood sometimes you need to be a bit sensible about things like this. If he's not guilty having his name out there can potentially fuck him for life.
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given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
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@mokey said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan that story makes me sick. Murdered and dumped in bushes. Cases like this really make me wish we had the death penalty. It's hard to see what the reason is for name suppression, the police seem very confident and made the arrest very fast.
It seems the judge agrees with you and declined suppression. However the defence indicated that they intend to appeal so I gather the judge is obliged to give interim suppression just in case the appeal is successful.
The Herald was reporting yesterday that the police were so keen to get the car so they could use the GPS to track where the car went, which along with tracking his cellphone would explain why they were able to home in in the Waitakeres. So the guy may not have surrendered any info at all.
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@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
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@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
I bet Neve cried. Gaylord too
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
How do you reckon she brought the tears? Do you think she’s method? Maybe she recalled Gaylord pushing one up the shitter to make her eyes water.
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@jc said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
How do you reckon she brought the tears? Do you think she’s method? Maybe she recalled Gaylord pushing one up the shitter to make her eyes water.
He's so emasculated it only happens if she gives the order
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@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jc said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
How do you reckon she brought the tears? Do you think she’s method? Maybe she recalled Gaylord pushing one up the shitter to make her eyes water.
He's so emasculated it only happens if she gives the order
You have to admit, he’s got the look of someone who likes to race the Spam Javelin up the Chocolate Speedway.
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@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
I bet Neve cried. Gaylord too
I reckon Gaylord cried, and made Neve cry.
Seriously though, by all means offer sympathies and condolences on behalf of NZ, but to apologise on behalf of over 4 million people that had zero fault and zero reason to apolgise is is pathetic.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
I bet Neve cried. Gaylord too
I reckon Gaylord cried, and made Neve cry.
Seriously though, by all means offer sympathies and condolences on behalf of NZ, but to apologise on behalf of over 4 million people that had zero fault and zero reason to apolgise is is pathetic.
I’d cry lots if I was him thinking about trading down from Shavaughn to Jacinda .
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
I bet Neve cried. Gaylord too
I reckon Gaylord cried, and made Neve cry.
Seriously though, by all means offer sympathies and condolences on behalf of NZ, but to apologise on behalf of over 4 million people that had zero fault and zero reason to apolgise is is pathetic.
I’d cry lots if I was him thinking about trading down from Shavaughn to Jacinda .
)Shavaughn could cross over to the hawt thread. Easy. Jacko not so much
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@taniwharugby I've only sat on a jury once in London decades ago
It did result in a full page editorial piece in the Express about the failure of the jury system that focussed mainly on me as a new Zealand barrack room lawyer who swayed the others to my opinion and as a result civilisation as we knew it was threatened
It was clearly a result of the one (bitter rascist old trout) who was the only juror in favour of convicting a young black man of purse snatching spilling her guts to the paper about how I moved the jury from 3not guilties to 11
The interesting thing the article didn't mention was that we (old hag and I) had sat together in a jury the previous week where after we listened to the prosecution the judge through the case out because the police admitted that they manufactured evidence lied and denied the defendants their civil rights in order to meet their arrest targets.
That didn't make it into the Express article. I wish I'd kept it. Rather flattering artists depiction of me in full oratorical flow. Although I have never had a beard or a corduroy jacket
Like you I despair of the judicial system except like me Churchill's description of democracy it's the least bad system.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mn5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
given how rapidly this has evolved, you'd think he has pretty much admitted what has happened that lead them to find the body.
St. C.
Touching on what @Mokey said. Yes it's an absolute tragedy but no, it is not New Zealand's fault. Last I checked murders happen all over the world.
What a ridiculous overreaction from the Pee Em
Yep . I can imagine her running past her press team if they thought it poll better to shed a couple of tears while she apologised on behalf of us for something we had nothing to do with .
I bet Neve cried. Gaylord too
I reckon Gaylord cried, and made Neve cry.
Seriously though, by all means offer sympathies and condolences on behalf of NZ, but to apologise on behalf of over 4 million people that had zero fault and zero reason to apolgise is is pathetic.
More like 2.4 mill. Reading Twitter this is just another case of men being men. Fuck men.
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@majorrage I reckon a good number of those twitter warriors would have different opinions in real life
