Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Is it just me or does Taylor not get the love and admiration he deserves ? His record now in international cricket is outstanding but he seems to live in KWs shadow still ?
And mcculums shadow ... despite being a far superior man and cricket player
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@SammyC said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Is it just me or does Taylor not get the love and admiration he deserves ? His record now in international cricket is outstanding but he seems to live in KWs shadow still ?
And mcculums shadow ... despite being a far superior man and cricket player
Can't comment on the first trait but you're 100% right on the second.
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@Mokey said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 Yeah, even when we weren't up to much batting or bowling wise, we were always a top notch fielding outfit. Saving runs, getting run outs, taking the catches. I kinda hate seeing the dropsies, cos some of them were really not tough chances.
Also...I'm not sure Seifert is the answer behind the stumps. Compared to Watling, he is pretty average.
Speaking of Watling, glad to see some recognition going his way,
Along with Taylor they are 2 of the most underrated and appreciated cricketers in the world.Watling in particular is the owner of some amazing stats.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25703809/why-bj-watling-bigger-deal-is
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Well another pretty disastrous tour for Sri Lanka is nearing an end.
Sri Lanka can take some pride for their fightback to draw the first test, but they were outplayed by the better side overall and really just hanging in there for both games. We've won our last 4 test series in a row - England, WI, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. As a Black Caps fan that is fucking unheard of, this is a real golden era for us and I'm loving every moment of it. We have a very solid test side that has the ability to push anyone, I just wish we had a crack at Aus sans Smith and Warner.
In the ODIs we set the record for most amount of runs in a 3-match series - 1054 - which should tell you all you need to know about our batting and their bowling. Good to see the guys cash in, though they were never really tested. Bowling is a concern, Sri Lanka are better with the bat but not exactly world beaters. We need to get a lot smarter with our plans and execution. Oh and remember how to fucking catch, WTF is up with that.
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
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@No-Quarter We need to sort the bowling and the dropsies before the Indians, otherwise it could get real messy. Perera showed our vulnerabilities, and he was one classy dude down the order.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Rossco MOM.....
Personally I think Nicholls deserved it. Unbeaten and a much better strike rate.
Rosco came to the crease in the 5th over. He was a large part of the rebuilding stage. That explains the strike rate.
The weird thing about this series is that Boult and Southee were both anonymous.. Sodhi the pick of the bowlers, and Lockie is probably now the clear favourite for the 3rd seamer role.
Sodhi is unlucky in that although he was the best of the lot, he will make way for Santner when he's back. -
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Is it just me or does Taylor not get the love and admiration he deserves ? His record now in international cricket is outstanding but he seems to live in KWs shadow still ?
It's really weird. He's one of the best batters we have ever produced, but just doesn't get the plaudits. I don't really know why either - it seemed when he got kneecapped in the captaincy debacle that people really flocked around to vocally (and visibly) support him.
His record is insane for a kiwi, and yet his running between the wickets and judgment on runs is just so average. Live it's even worse. And here I am critiquing him after he won us the game today and is in the top 10 in the world.
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@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Is it just me or does Taylor not get the love and admiration he deserves ? His record now in international cricket is outstanding but he seems to live in KWs shadow still ?
It's really weird. He's one of the best batters we have ever produced, but just doesn't get the plaudits. I don't really know why either - it seemed when he got kneecapped in the captaincy debacle that people really flocked around to vocally (and visibly) support him.
His record is insane for a kiwi, and yet his running between the wickets and judgment on runs is just so average. Live it's even worse. And here I am critiquing him after he won us the game today and is in the top 10 in the world.
Tup 12 all time in number of ODI 100s and given we don't play nearly as many as some countries that's impressive especially if you take out Tendulkar...20 ODI centuries is all time great at ODI.
What makes it even more apparent is not that his average since the beginning of 2018 is 90+ but that his average since the end of the 2015 CWC is 65+, only one person in that time is higher - Kohli
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@mimic said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Rossco MOM.....
Personally I think Nicholls deserved it. Unbeaten and a much better strike rate.
Rosco came to the crease in the 5th over. He was a large part of the rebuilding stage. That explains the strike rate.
The weird thing about this series is that Boult and Southee were both anonymous.. Sodhi the pick of the bowlers, and Lockie is probably now the clear favourite for the 3rd seamer role.
Sodhi is unlucky in that although he was the best of the lot, he will make way for Santner when he's back.Yeah I guess you're right but the way our top order has performed a big score was always likely.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Mokey said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 Yeah, even when we weren't up to much batting or bowling wise, we were always a top notch fielding outfit. Saving runs, getting run outs, taking the catches. I kinda hate seeing the dropsies, cos some of them were really not tough chances.
Also...I'm not sure Seifert is the answer behind the stumps. Compared to Watling, he is pretty average.
The Marshall twins and Lou Vincent were sensational in particular.
.....which was handy as they weren't much chop at the top order and the latter was a dirty cheating shitcunt.
And Harris, arguably NZ's best ever fielder (Mark Greatbatch was also awesome, especially for a guy his size). We've also been blessed with some absolutely top class keepers and slip fielders over the decades (Coney, both Crowes and Wright were world class slips, Hadlee was a good gully specialist, and Smith was an excellent keeper, and later it was Fleming and Astle in the slips carrying the torch).
Taylor seems to be getting a bit of recognition currently, with Cricinfo, the various NZ news sites and us all giving him major plaudits. Kane might catch up, but otherwise Rosscoe is NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will soon pass Fleming for most runs (less than 300 to go), and people are finally cottoning onto that. http://www.espncricinfo.com/team/_/id/5/new-zealand/ - that's Cricinfo's NZ page, and while the top 3 test batsmen in the past 12 months have very similar runs (Latham 658, Nicholls 658, Kane 651 all in 12 innings), Rosscoe is miles ahead of the rest in ODIs in the past 12 months (Rosscoe 908/ 12 innings, Guptill 528/ 12 innings, Kane 485/ 13 innings).
Other fun stats - Rosscoe has made 50 or more 65 times in his 195 ODI innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 3. Only Kane is higher (46 in 126 innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 2.74 innings), and batting at 3 makes it a little easier than 4. Also, Rosscoe's average at 4 is 52.28 (Kane's is 49.6 at 3)
All in all, lots of room for some man love...
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@Godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Mokey said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 Yeah, even when we weren't up to much batting or bowling wise, we were always a top notch fielding outfit. Saving runs, getting run outs, taking the catches. I kinda hate seeing the dropsies, cos some of them were really not tough chances.
Also...I'm not sure Seifert is the answer behind the stumps. Compared to Watling, he is pretty average.
The Marshall twins and Lou Vincent were sensational in particular.
.....which was handy as they weren't much chop at the top order and the latter was a dirty cheating shitcunt.
And Harris, arguably NZ's best ever fielder (Mark Greatbatch was also awesome, especially for a guy his size). We've also been blessed with some absolutely top class keepers and slip fielders over the decades (Coney, both Crowes and Wright were world class slips, Hadlee was a good gully specialist, and Smith was an excellent keeper, and later it was Fleming and Astle in the slips carrying the torch).
Taylor seems to be getting a bit of recognition currently, with Cricinfo, the various NZ news sites and us all giving him major plaudits. Kane might catch up, but otherwise Rosscoe is NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will soon pass Fleming for most runs (less than 300 to go), and people are finally cottoning onto that. http://www.espncricinfo.com/team/_/id/5/new-zealand/ - that's Cricinfo's NZ page, and while the top 3 test batsmen in the past 12 months have very similar runs (Latham 658, Nicholls 658, Kane 651 all in 12 innings), Rosscoe is miles ahead of the rest in ODIs in the past 12 months (Rosscoe 908/ 12 innings, Guptill 528/ 12 innings, Kane 485/ 13 innings).
Other fun stats - Rosscoe has made 50 or more 65 times in his 195 ODI innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 3. Only Kane is higher (46 in 126 innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 2.74 innings), and batting at 3 makes it a little easier than 4. Also, Rosscoe's average at 4 is 52.28 (Kane's is 49.6 at 3)
All in all, lots of room for some man love...
Everyone loves KW and rightfully so but I guess people either don't realise or acknowledge that in Taylor we have someone extremely close to him.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
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@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
Are you seriously suggesting you leave one of them out just cos they both batted four?
It's not Rugby ( and even then there's heaps of examples of guys moving to accomodate others ) but the thought of you even contemplating leaving one of them out and have Astle, McMillan, Coney or whoever there instead just makes me mad. MAD it does!
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@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
Agree. Absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who gets a duck, and even the very best do, is therefore a 'disgrace' too.
