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@No-Quarter Yes we must all be sympathetic to Islam.
Kill the jews, execute blasphemers, rape children and the throwing of gays off of rooftops.
Ahh progressiveness.
I think some people open up their minds so much that their brain (and morals) fall right out.
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So I've finished Tommy Robinson's book 'Enemy of the state', I made an effort as I went through to try and fact check some of the claims with original footage from off of youtube as well as different news archives. - What I could find checked out with what he states.
My conclusion is thus. This bloke whom back in my London days I had written off as a bigoted, racist, football hooligan Nazi is almost without doubt the most lied about and unfairly persecuted man in all of Britain. He is nothing short of an absolute British hero. Had people not swallowed this BS political correctness garbage perpetuated by politicians, academia and the mainstream fake-news media along with an innate bigotry toward the working class then maybe society could have taken his warnings seriously. How many lives could have been saved? From victims of Islamic terrorism & radicalisation to the thousands upon thousands of child rapes covered up and defended by politicians, media and law enforcement.
Have a look at this 2013 EDL speech, listen to the words, read the signs and compare that to the news reports you remember from this time. This wasn't a racist group, this was a group of normal British folk trying to stand up against extremism in their communities. I like so many others just took what 'The Guardian' or what David Cameron or Nick Clegg said as fact and swallowed it without question.
You can get the book (for now) on Amazon it is a terrific read.
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@No-Quarter Ok I genuinely have no idea if that is a parody account on not. Should I be laughing or crying here?
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter Ok I genuinely have no idea if that is a parody account on not. Should I be laughing or crying here?
I should say, from what I understand, the Terrorism police in the UK do a pretty amazing job with the attacks they've managed to thwart. It's just a ridiculous situation asking the public to watch and report people buying hammers in a suspicious way.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@No-Quarter Ok I genuinely have no idea if that is a parody account on not. Should I be laughing or crying here?
I should say, from what I understand, the Terrorism police in the UK do a pretty amazing job with the attacks they've managed to thwart. It's just a ridiculous situation asking the public to watch and report people buying hammers in a suspicious way.
...and a white male no less! God forbid they represent an actual depiction of the overwhelming likely scenario
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@Rembrandt
Without even watching that video I take issue with the sign behind him (top right of picture).
A simplistic incendiary overstatement toward a religious group.
Without going over all the other points and posts from these threads, can you seriously tell me that if you were one of the very large number of peaceful, respectful, law abiding Muslims in the UK you would not see that statement as saying that you hate anyone that does not follow your religion? And that encouraging a group of people to join in with this view is concerning.I don't want to get involved in a big debate about this and I'm not arguing your points/assessment about TR (I try to not get into these threads much now), but I am curious about how you view that particular sign and how that may have set the original stance toward him.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt
Without even watching that video I take issue with the sign behind him (top right of picture).
A simplistic incendiary overstatement toward a religious group.
Without going over all the other points and posts from these threads, can you seriously tell me that if you were one of the very large number of peaceful, respectful, law abiding Muslims in the UK you would not see that statement as saying that you hate anyone that does not follow your religion? And that encouraging a group of people to join in with this view is concerning.I don't want to get involved in a big debate about this and I'm not arguing your points/assessment about TR (I try to not get into these threads much now), but I am curious about how you view that particular sign and how that may have set the original stance toward him.
Don’t you think you should actually watch the video before you comment? Context matters as buzzfeed , vice and vox amongst others recently learned over Covington .
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@Crucial those signs are criticising Islam, not Muslims. That's actually a really important distinction to make when discussing free speech. If we decide criticism of religious ideas is not OK then we badly erode our own rights, and without a doubt that will come back to haunt us. Would a Muslim take offense to them? Possibly, depends on who it is. Same way a socialist might take offense when you point out the many millions of people it has killed, dismissing it as an evil idea. Or the way Catholics might take offense when you talk about the systemic child abuse within the church and why the religion is corrupt to the core.
You can't have a battle of ideas without offending people, it's just that simple. I get that Muslims are a minority in western countries, which is why efforts are made to protect them, but disallowing criticism of their religion has only built more animosity towards them, further ostracising them from society.
Like many issues today, we are in desperate need of robust debate around sensitive topics. One of my go-to people for issues around Islam is Maajid Nawaz. That guy has lived on both sides of the fence and knows the religion inside out (to the point he memorised the Quran when he was an Islamist). But he is always slandered as an "alt-right apologist" and other absurd claims because he wants to engage in that robust debate as a means to counter extremism.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Standing in front of a sign some may disagree with or find offensive is not an excuse for the the state behaving like they have with TR.
And someone said that that it is?
It's where you are leading with this line, IMO;
"but I am curious about how you view that particular sign and how that may have set the original stance toward him"
He could be standing in front of a sign full of racist nonsense and still should not have been treated how he was by the police and the justice system.
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@Kirwan said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Standing in front of a sign some may disagree with or find offensive is not an excuse for the the state behaving like they have with TR.
And someone said that that it is?
It's where you are leading with this line, IMO;
"but I am curious about how you view that particular sign and how that may have set the original stance toward him"
He could be standing in front of a sign full of racist nonsense and still should not have been treated how he was by the police and the justice system.
I'm not leading anywhere or justifying anything. Simply saying that shit sticks and I would be absolutely certain that all of TRs problems arise from his involvement with the EDL. You can't discount that fact.
I was simply commenting on one sign that he was happy to stand in front of and add his voice. That is all. -
@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Standing in front of a sign some may disagree with or find offensive is not an excuse for the the state behaving like they have with TR.
And someone said that that it is?
It's where you are leading with this line, IMO;
"but I am curious about how you view that particular sign and how that may have set the original stance toward him"
He could be standing in front of a sign full of racist nonsense and still should not have been treated how he was by the police and the justice system.
I'm not leading anywhere or justifying anything. Simply saying that shit sticks and I would be absolutely certain that all of TRs problems arise from his involvement with the EDL. You can't discount that fact.
I was simply commenting on one sign that he was happy to stand in front of and add his voice. That is all.One sign negates all of his arguments? I would also strongly question whether the EDL is the sole reason for TRs problems. I'd say they would have gone after him regardless. Have to "keep the peace" .
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Standing in front of a sign some may disagree with or find offensive is not an excuse for the the state behaving like they have with TR.
And someone said that that it is?
It's where you are leading with this line, IMO;
"but I am curious about how you view that particular sign and how that may have set the original stance toward him"
He could be standing in front of a sign full of racist nonsense and still should not have been treated how he was by the police and the justice system.
I'm not leading anywhere or justifying anything. Simply saying that shit sticks and I would be absolutely certain that all of TRs problems arise from his involvement with the EDL. You can't discount that fact.
I was simply commenting on one sign that he was happy to stand in front of and add his voice. That is all.And my point of view is people can stand in front of offensive signs as much as they like, and don't deserve to have the state try and ruin their lives.
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