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So now the FTTN is being rolled out to another 170,000 residences. Malcolm Turnbull (The Arch fluffybunny of web denial) is lauding speeds of 90mbps at some guy's house, but suspect he's probably relocated his house to sit right on top of the nearest node.
 
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here in one of Sydney's newest suburbs with this:
 
[URL=http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3850767677]<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3850767677.png" alt="3850767677.png">[/URL]
 
While sitting about 200 metres from the nearest sweet, sweet fibre...

Crucial

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So now the FTTN is being rolled out to another 170,000 residences. Malcolm Turnbull (The Arch fluffybunny of web denial) is lauding speeds of 90mbps at some guy's house, but suspect he's probably relocated his house to sit right on top of the nearest node.
 
 
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Rubbish. He'd need Fibre to the premise for that speed, along with a fibre compatible router configured correctly. Copper line and an ADSL router connecting to the node couldn't do it.

Crucial

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In the beginning UFB was formless and void.
 
The Planning team sharpened their pencils, and extra pages were added to the glossary to handle the new acronyms.
 
UFB is all about FTTP, â€˜fibre to the premiseâ€™.
 
The task as Planners was to divide our UFB patches into areas of up to 240 premises so they could be serviced by a fibre splitter cabinet. The splitter takes one port from the exchange equipment and splits it out to 32 end users.
 
 These areas are known as Fibre Flexibility Points, or FFPs, and there are more than 6000 FFPs across the country, nearly half of them in the Auckland region.
 
For example, hereâ€™s an FFP in Rotorua of 228 premises that looks a bit like a rhinoceros.
<img src="https://intranet.chorus.co.nz/dailyhum/Lists/Photos/default/UFB planning 1.png" alt="UFB%20planning%201.png">
The Planners looked at the FFPs they had created, and they were jolly good.
All the premises in an FFP would need a duct or fibre back to a cabinet that housed the splitters. We pitied the poor chaps who would have to build it, but we went back to our day jobs as our work was done. Or so we thought.
 
Sometime about the end of year 2 â€˜Year 4 Architectureâ€™ was born.
 
Instead of bringing all the fibres in an FFP back to a central cabinet, we could distribute the splitters out in the neighbourhood. Each FFP area would do away with the cabinet and have up to 6 splitter housings in the ground, called ABFFPs. 
 
Unfortunately for the Planners, it was back to the drawing board as all our FFPs needed to be divided up into smaller areas of 40-46 premises.
 
We extract data out of Netmap about where people live, how many people live there, where our existing network is, and how full our ducts are.
 
FOND takes all this data and does â€˜mathsâ€™ with it.
 
FOND then produces assorted shapefiles showing lead-ins to each property, how that lead-in gets back to an ABFFP, a feeder cable for each ABFFP from an FFP, and the feeder cable from the FFP back to the exchange.
 
Hereâ€™s that Rotorua FFP divided into 6 ABFFP areas. Everything is colour-coded and the wee numbers show how many premises are fed from each ABFFP.
<img src="https://intranet.chorus.co.nz/dailyhum/Lists/Photos/default/UFB planning 2.png" alt="UFB%20planning%202.png">
Using the data about our existing ducts it can work out where we can re-use them. If we have to lay new ones, it plans routes that minimises how much we have to put in the ground.
This view shows the fibre distribution network, and the lead-ins to each property.
<img src="https://intranet.chorus.co.nz/dailyhum/Lists/Photos/default/UFB planning 3.png" alt="UFB%20planning%203.png">
 
 
Meanwhile, assorted power line companies were being asked if we could share their poles for fibre cable distribution.
 
Itâ€™s back to the drawing board, again, to get FOND to read data from the lines companies, compare that with where our network and our customers are, and work out the best way of putting it all together. The early attempts were a bit weird, but itâ€™s nearly at a stage where we can use it for the next wave of projects.
 
In this map the Blue line is where we could use aerial cable. Orange is for existing ducts and Cyan is where we would have to trench. If we didnâ€™t use aerial, most of the blue line would have to have new ducts laid. The aerial algorithms in the FOND tool are still getting adjusted
<img src="https://intranet.chorus.co.nz/dailyhum/Lists/Photos/default/UFB planning 4.png" alt="UFB%20planning%204.png">
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Thought this may go some way to explain the complexity of doing a fibre rollout. It must be bloody frustrating to be on the wrong side of the boundary of one of these puzzle pieces waiting for your piece to be built but as you can see, there are limitations of numbers per area.
I don't know the exact situation in Oz but the NBN also use the FOND planning tool.
All I can say is that the companies doing the rollout want to connect as many people as possible in the quickest possible time. The circumstances as to why some areas get done before others are many and can be dictated by govt deals (eg a school or medical centre could result in the neighbouring area being done as described above but the areas next to it aren't necessarily done next as they have to go and do the next school/ medical centre first)

NTA

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Rubbish. He'd need Fibre to the premise for that speed, along with a fibre compatible router configured correctly. Copper line and an ADSL router connecting to the node couldn't do it.
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Well, you know - he's a politician. See article below - ping speed is an interesting point... 
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/08/seeing-is-believing-malcolm-turnbull-speed-tests-fibre-to-the-node/'>http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/08/seeing-is-believing-malcolm-turnbull-speed-tests-fibre-to-the-node/</a>
 
 
iiNet are saying their customers are getting some decent speeds - but I wonder how that is going to change as more users are put on?
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.zdnet.com/nbn-fibre-to-the-node-trial-reveals-slower-speeds-7000034688/'>http://www.zdnet.com/nbn-fibre-to-the-node-trial-reveals-slower-speeds-7000034688/</a>
 
 
 
And of course, the copper is the thing as the article says - particularly if you're more than about 1000m from the node by wire. Even if you're closer, the older stuff might not be in quite the same shape and will just need replacing anyway.
 
At which point its as cheap to put in fibre and be done with it.

Crucial

Australia is fast getting left behind and the latest announcement of curtailing the NBN even further is going to hurt.
 
Basically, when they get around to it, there will be primarily FTTN (something NZ has had for a while now).
 
<div>According to OOKLA Stats.</div>
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<div>World Benchmark: 21.7 Down/9.9 up with mobile 11 down/4.5 up</div>
<div>Australia: 15.9 down/3.9 up with mobile 18.5 down/8.1 up</div>
<div>NZ 25.2 down/11.2 up with mobile 26.3 down/ 10.1 up</div>
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<div>These numbers are only gathered from those doing Ookla tests and tend to be high due to most tests being done by geeks comparing dick sizes. They can probably be compared though.</div>
<div>By Ooklas stats again, over the past two years NZ has improved from 10.7 down, yet Australia started at 12.8. We surpassed Aus in June 2013 and have widened the gap ever since.</div>
<div>I know that the actual connection speed data for NZ straight from the Network Analysers within the network is around 16Mbps which includes rural etc. By world standards that is only starting to quite good and has been on a steady increase for a number of years as people swap out ADSL2+ for VDSL and Fibre (where available)</div>

antipodean

This is (work) wireless connection provided at a client site:
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988078196.png" alt="3988078196.png">
 
As you can see, pretty average. :(
 
Thankfully my home connection is much, much better.

Crucial

Canberra tops the averages by city in Oz at an average of 18.5 down which is not far below Auckland (21.7) but way behind Christchurch and Wellington (40 and 29).
Christchurch is presumably high from a large fibre uptake after rebuild.

Nepia

<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988091684.png" alt="3988091684.png">
 
This is somewhat deceiving. We mostly hover around 10Mb and in the evening we drop down and the ping is usually a lot slower.

Crucial

Virgil

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Now your just fucking showing off...
 
Heres mine, not bad from the wops of Helensville.
 
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988104470.png" alt="3988104470.png">

Nepia

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Now your just fucking showing off...
 
Heres mine, not bad from the wops of Helensville.
 
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988104470.png" alt="3988104470.png">
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That's just showing off too ... although TBF it is coming from Keyville. 
 
We both got a grade B though. :)

antipodean

As long as when I move to property somewhere near Hokitika I can get comparable internet to what I currently have at home, I'll be happy.

Virgil

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That's just showing off too ... although TBF it is coming from Keyville. 
 
We both got a grade B though. :)
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We have been here 5 1/2 years now, when we first arrived we were put on a waiting list to hook up to broadband. It took nearly a year, in which time we had to endure dial up.
Id say since then our speeds have quadrupled.
 
Your upload speeds arent that great though.

Nepia

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We have been here 5 1/2 years now, when we first arrived we were put on a waiting list to hook up to broadband. It took nearly a year, in which time we had to endure dial up.
Id say since then our speeds have quadrupled.
 
Your upload speeds arent that great though.
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Neither are the download's ... Sydney has cabbage internet, and it took us over a month to get it hooked up in the city. Bonkers.

NTA

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You're a fluffybunny, and I hate you.
 
 
 
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988166335.png" alt="3988166335.png">
 
The only time it will be better than this is between Christmas and New Year when no other bastard is around. I peaked at like 9MBps last year!

Virgil

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You're a fluffybunny, and I hate you.
 
 
 
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988166335.png" alt="3988166335.png">
 
The only time it will be better than this is between Christmas and New Year when no other bastard is around. I peaked at like 9MBps last year!
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Wow didnt know how shit the interweb is in OZ.
Tell me again why so many kiwis are jumping the fence and shifting over?

Crucial

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You're a fluffybunny, and I hate you.
 
 
 
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988166335.png" alt="3988166335.png">
 
The only time it will be better than this is between Christmas and New Year when no other bastard is around. I peaked at like 9MBps last year!
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Yeah, that was from work and done just to piss you off.
 
This is home, 5.15pm as all the kiddies are on youtube.
 
<img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3988219133.png" alt="3988219133.png">

Crucial

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Wow didnt know how shit the interweb is in OZ.
Tell me again why so many kiwis are jumping the fence and shifting over?
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That's kind of the point. As the gap widens further there will be plenty of Oz dwellers deciding that maybe NZ is the place to run their business from.

Crucial

Those Oz ones from Nick and Nepia show almost no upload speed at all. The ISP must be choking the up to squeeze out as much down as they can. They will be screwed as soon as their customers wake up to the opportunities of cloud and providing services from uploading.

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