Electric Vehicles
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I know a thing or two about electric buses
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@NTA see, I’ve driven 3 variants of the model s and I just don’t see the pricing. It made sense in Hk where a 530i was around 800k including govt tax, snd the p85d similar. But I over here it’s 45k for the 530i snd 85k for the 85d
The running costs differential simply don’t make up the difference. Especially when I still think the 530i is the better car.
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@MajorRage A friend and I drove a 535d around central europe last year, and it was a bloody good car.
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@Tim said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage A friend and I drove a 535d around central europe last year, and it was a bloody good car.
There aren’t many better than that! I’d buy the 535d over a 530i too but no diesels in Hk so can’t compare
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA see, I’ve driven 3 variants of the model s and I just don’t see the pricing. It made sense in Hk where a 530i was around 800k including govt tax, snd the p85d similar. But I over here it’s 45k for the 530i snd 85k for the 85d
The running costs differential simply don’t make up the difference. Especially when I still think the 530i is the better car.
Agreed. But that's what we don't really get about the Euro car market - your "luxury" cars are cheap as fuck. In those areas I'm surprised there is any electric car activity at all.
Norway makes it work via pre- and post-sale incentives, but most places aren't that concerned about EV uptake yet. Look at BMW's comments about having the majority of their offerings still using petrol or diesel into the 2030s, where a lot of manufacturers are going the other way.
As even plugin hybrids are going to come under increasing scrutiny for emissions, it'll be interesting to see all that play out.
Hybrids like the Prius are a waste of time IMHO. "Self-charging" electric is how they're framing it. FFS...
You'd think - with our vehicle manufacturing industry now goneskis - that the luxury tax would be scrapped here. But I guess like all taxes, its harder to remove than implement.
@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
I know a thing or two about electric buses
We saw zero coverage of that BTW. Has it happened yet?
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA how much does the model s go for in aus?
I can’t see the model 3 being close to 50k AUD.
If the model 3 is only 27k GBP here I’d be first on the list.
In the ACT - which is the lowest in value because they don't have Stamp Duty - the lowest cost Model S is about AUD$130K, or about GBP70K drive away at current exchange.
Think you can reserve a Model 3 for GBP1K?
Have they scrapped stamp duty on cars in the ACT?
EVs get it real easy in London at the moment. No congestion charge (even though they still take up space on the road) and 'free' parking in prime locations by just pretending to charge. Cant see that lasting as the fights for charging spots break out.
Unless I have the need and money for a 'city car' then EVs aren't an option for me. I like the ability to drive long distances too much.
Fuck staying in Taupo after a 4.5 hour drive when I could continue on and reach my destination.
Also (and this is key), they don't sell pies at charging poles. -
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@Crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
Have they scrapped stamp duty on cars in the ACT?
Not sure as I don't live there. But Tesla don't list it in the price when you build a car on their site, so maybe it is an EV perk?
Google is our friend. EVs are Cat A in this scheme which means zero duty.
The ACT Government is the only jurisdiction in Australia to have a differential duty scheme for new cars, utes and light commercial vehicles to provide an incentive for the purchase of lower operating emission vehicles and a disincentive against the purchase of vehicles with higher operating emissions.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
We saw zero coverage of that BTW. Has it happened yet?
yep, it's been in service for nearly a month now. And the vehicle is killing it.
My company has given a fully electric bus to a private company in NSW to run. It's the first fully electric bus to run a full, fare-paying service in Australia (there are some in Airports running free shuttles using the other brand available). We also have one running in Auckland, i think that one is doing a city-airport run.
The one in NSW is running a rural route, and it's pretty much the worst route to run an electric bus on, making it a perfect trial. It's a huge amount of highway driving, lots of hills, not a lot of braking, so hard on the battery life. But the results are outstanding. I think the best day so far was 346km, and it returned to the depot with 16% charge.
Initial results show an 80% saving on "fuel" cost.
As for the coverage? Who knows. I was at the full launch at Sydney Uni, and the two politicians spoke as much about the "electric highway" as the bus. And then half the press conference was taken up with pill testing (it was the same day as that Greens MP said she did pills when she was younger, and she was fine), so you know, politics. Also they have little to do with it, and it wasn't their idea, and they aren't providing anything, we are.
So the last month has been spent monitoring the performance, showing it to government departments, and trying to get them to bite the bullet. The change is coming, but it's so very very slow.
The obvious hold up in infrastructure, and cost. The buses themselves are just under twice the price of a diesel. And at this stage the batteries have an 8-10 year life before they need replacing, which is half the cost of the vehicle. Until now it was expected you could run a commuter bus for 15-20 years (which you can tell if you have been in one). We think, with the savings on fuel, and maintenance (the electrics are so basic), then you can still make an economic case for them, but it requires a change in mindset.
The feedback has been unreal, from commuters, drivers, and the operator. So we are enormously confident. The bus is dead silent, it's weird. A fleet of those running around would change the way of life for people in Sydney.
Should be an interesting 12 months.
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Have tesla continued to go the Apple path, and have their own charger, while pretty much every one else has the same?
For instance, the one that charges our bus will charge the Hyundai (which i really liked by the way, i would buy one for my round town vehicle)
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@NTA I noticed the charging station signs on the Taupo to Napier road when I drove it a fortnight ago. Looked like there was a charge station every 35 kms compared to 135 without a fuel stop.
I too think Tesla are fucked now that every major manufacturer is jumping on board to a lesser or greater extent. They just don't have the scale and (if you ignore the drive system) their cars are pretty dated.
As an Audi driver, the one I'm interested in is AIcon. Supposedly gonna have Quattro and a range of 800 kms. My next car will either be something like that or I will simply do without a car entirely and hire when I do a roadie (predicated on retiring into a CBD apartment which is my current plan)
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
If anyone is interested in seeing what's out there, check out Fully Charged Show on YouTube. They tend to get in on what is happening pretty early.
I'm keen to see Rivian get to market, based on this video. The crew cab seems to have a heap of great little features that look perfect for going camping.
I like that beast too. I see there’s a company making classic range rovers and jags electric. I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
This Electric Range Rover Classic is Lighter Than a Tesla Model S
Classic EV conversions are the next big thing, available today.
Also not giving any money to the Saudis would be great.
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
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@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
Have tesla continued to go the Apple path, and have their own charger, while pretty much every one else has the same?
For instance, the one that charges our bus will charge the Hyundai (which i really liked by the way, i would buy one for my round town vehicle)
Charging infrastructure is complex. Its like VHS v Betamax in a lot of ways, where all these engineering dickheads are saying their design is superior
Prior to 2017 if you bought a Tesla you got free supercharging for life - in fact if you buy one second hand now, you still get it. Comes with the vehicle, not the owner. Model X or S bought after 1st Jan 2017 get 1000 free miles supercharging per year, and you pay after that. Hence all the Superchargers have Tesla-specific plugs in the US.
BUT with the advent of the Model 3, Tesla confirmed they'd fit it with a CCS Combo 2 plug so that it would be more compatible with a wider range of charging stations, particularly in Europe, as CCS2 is pretty much the standard outside the USA.
Tesla confirms Model 3 is getting a CCS plug in Europe, adapter coming for Model S and Model X
Tesla Model 3 CCS: the automaker is releasing the vehicle in Europe with the CCS charging connector standard, retrofiting the Superchargers, and more.
There are adapter plugs for anything now.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
Have tesla continued to go the Apple path, and have their own charger, while pretty much every one else has the same?
For instance, the one that charges our bus will charge the Hyundai (which i really liked by the way, i would buy one for my round town vehicle)
Complex.
Prior to 2017 if you bought a Tesla you got free supercharging for life - in fact if you buy one second hand now, you still get it. Comes with the vehicle, not the owner. Model X or S bought after 1st Jan 2017 get 1000 free miles supercharging per year, and you pay after that. Hence all the Superchargers have Tesla-specific plugs in the US.
BUT with the advent of the Model 3, Tesla confirmed they'd fit it with a CCS Combo 2 plug so that it would be more compatible with a wider range of charging stations, particularly in Europe, as CCS2 is pretty much the standard outside the USA.
Tesla confirms Model 3 is getting a CCS plug in Europe, adapter coming for Model S and Model X
Tesla Model 3 CCS: the automaker is releasing the vehicle in Europe with the CCS charging connector standard, retrofiting the Superchargers, and more.
There are adapter plugs for anything now.
you have an iphone as well don't you.
Yea look, sure, i can't charge my phone and listen to my headphones at the same time, but other than that's it's the greatest thing ever. Plus, you can buy a separate adapter.
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@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
you have an iphone as well don't you
Nope. I'm an Android user. iPhone too expensive.
That Hyundai Ioniq made Mrs TA's day but there were a few drawbacks to owning one right at this point. First of which being nearest dealership and therefore service centre is 30km away which sounds like a First World Problem, but actually could be a right bastard when it comes to getting it there for a service in rush hour.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
i remember drawing cars that look like that when i was 6
