Electric Vehicles
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Electric Bus from Proterra drives 1100 miles (1750km) on a single charge.
Yes, it was on a test track.
Yes, it was a battery size of 660kWh that wouldn't be ideal for your standard suburban bus.
Sure, it'd take a decent charger to keep that sucker on the road - but 100kW+ chargers are becoming more popular.It is still fucking impressive. The standard model is planned for 350 miles (550km) which is more than most suburban runs, and can charge up in under an hour. Anyway, read on.
A Proterra electric bus just drove 1,100 miles on a single charge
The Catalyst E2 Max went 1,101.2 miles, thanks to a 660kWh battery.
we can charge ours in 20 minutes if you are willing to pour that much juice through the charging unit
That's a lot of kms! i wonder just how much that bus weighs? Because that right there is the rub. Meeting max weight limits for buses full of people and batteries.
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@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Electric Bus from Proterra drives 1100 miles (1750km) on a single charge.
Yes, it was on a test track.
Yes, it was a battery size of 660kWh that wouldn't be ideal for your standard suburban bus.
Sure, it'd take a decent charger to keep that sucker on the road - but 100kW+ chargers are becoming more popular.It is still fucking impressive. The standard model is planned for 350 miles (550km) which is more than most suburban runs, and can charge up in under an hour. Anyway, read on.
A Proterra electric bus just drove 1,100 miles on a single charge
The Catalyst E2 Max went 1,101.2 miles, thanks to a 660kWh battery.
we can charge ours in 20 minutes if you are willing to pour that much juice through the charging unit
That's a lot of kms! i wonder just how much that bus weighs? Because that right there is the rub. Meeting max weight limits for buses full of people and batteries.
18 tonnes apparently. Or put another way; two more tonnes than a bus carrying 84 passengers in Canberra.
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA Not Mission Accomplished if you invested in Tesla.
I get this is an Electric Vehicles thread but there are already cleaner more cost effective solutions available than electric power trains. From a company that has given enormous returns to its investors and isn't some sort of massive ego project for its (not really) founder.
Who we are | Neste
We are Neste, the world’s leading producer of sustainable aviation fuel and renewable diesel.
"cleaner" may be overstating it.
I like the Neste offering as a transition. The general issue with biofuels is they take away from productive land so it is a bit of a double edged sword, but these guys are using waste product by and large - at least once they cut down the Palm Oil content. Recycling things in new and efficient ways will be the future.
I'm a bit wary of their data tho - they claim 24g/km CO2 while simultaneously saying "Up to 50%" less diesel emissions. Yet the average light vehicle sold in Europe in 2017 was 118.5g/km on the assumption 5.6 litres per 100 km of petrol or 4.9 L/100 km of diesel according to EU data.
It would be a stretch to claim reductions of 80% in real-world conditions. The quick search I've done reveals it is closer to 30%.
While the "average energy mix" of Europe must be taken into consideration, the relative volume of renewables available to charge EVs is still there and growing, which will reduce emissions ongoing. The same can't be said of any fossil fuel tech.
I guess what I'm curious about is how they make a business case when Europe's love affair with diesels is ending across a lot of streams.
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@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
That's a lot of kms! i wonder just how much that bus weighs? Because that right there is the rub. Meeting max weight limits for buses full of people and batteries.
Hence the "regular" unit being lower range/smaller battery.
Road wear is an issue for EVs - they tend to be heavier and therefore more damaging.
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@NTA cleaner because of the batteries and means of electricity generation.
To the best of my knowledge I think Neste achieve better emissions reductions than they state because they don't want to be seen to doctor the books.
The Palm Oil content is only because they can't get enough recycled product. I know they take an awful lot of tallow from NZ / Oz already. It's definitely a transition solution but the transition should be to hydrogen not electric.
I also like the recycling plastics stuff they do Very clever company. Their major issues are distribution and therefore scale. I know they can't sell into NZ for example because no one will retail it and no one has a large enough fleet to warrant shipping it down.
If you want more background, I know someone with Neste so can get the good oil
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
the transition should be to hydrogen not electric.
The energy stack to produce hydrogen is far less efficient than renewables.
The advantage of hydrogen is logistics - you can transport it once you make it.
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
cleaner because of the batteries and means of electricity generation.
And, as I've stated: the generation is increasingly getting cleaner. When Germany shuts off their lignite generation, that quoted figure on electricity across Europe will plummet.
The batteries are all going to be made from increasingly easy-to-recycle materials and form factors, and along with recycling waste is just going to be the way things are done from now on.
If you're saying they don't get enough oil right now, then how can they scale any of this?
If it is going to be viable they need to stick to things like the aviation industry which don't have easy electric transitions.
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@NTA I didn't mean to say Neste was the answer. My original quote was in response to Musk's apologia which always shits me. Look you morons need to understand we never intended to make money etc. Yeah right. As I said; were the other investors on board? His primary responsibility is to protect the value of those investments over the medium to long term. Which he failed to do. Sure saving the planet (yawn) is great but .....
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA I didn't mean to say Neste was the answer. My original quote was in response to Musk's apologia which always shits me. Look you morons need to understand we never intended to make money etc. Yeah right. As I said; were the other investors on board? His primary responsibility is to protect the value of those investments over the medium to long term. Which he failed to do. Sure saving the planet (yawn) is great but .....
He’s stated from the beginning that the purpose of Tesla was to spark the move from gas to electric. Not Elon’s fault if investors ignored him. A massive clue was open sourcing the patents.
Besides Tesla’s demise has been predicted every year for the six years, and they still going strong.
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@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA I didn't mean to say Neste was the answer. My original quote was in response to Musk's apologia which always shits me. Look you morons need to understand we never intended to make money etc. Yeah right. As I said; were the other investors on board? His primary responsibility is to protect the value of those investments over the medium to long term. Which he failed to do. Sure saving the planet (yawn) is great but .....
He’s stated from the beginning that the purpose of Tesla was to spark the move from gas to electric. Not Elon’s fault if investors ignored him. A massive clue was open sourcing the patents.
Besides Tesla’s demise has been predicted every year for the six years, and they still going strong.
They are now hitting that crucial 6-10 year phase for their mainstream vehicles which will really see how the company fares. I think the original design looks incredibly dated already, but I cant' comment on the interior as I've not sat in one for a while.
I think they'll survive though, they'll never be a Ford or a GM, but they should easily be able to continue on with their niche to survive.
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@MajorRage exactly, they are aiming firmly at a niche market and pushing the technology forward. The autopilot stuff, the OTA updates that provide new features/improve performance, and just the general inovation alone are great seling points.
If I had a lazy $100,000 lying around (where's Gracie when you need him?) I'd pick one up for sure. Seen a surprising number of them driving around where I live.
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Changing their charging port to suit the standard gun might help.
I would still take the Hyundai on price alone.
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@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
Changing their charging port to suit the standard gun might help.
I would still take the Hyundai on price alone.
As would I BUT my plans for an EV have been dashed in the recent hail storm.
Wife's car - which I was going to to replace with an Ioniq or similar in ~6-12 months - got written off. Problem is we're not ready to jump to the cost of an EV right now so will end up with something else. Fuck it.
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@MajorRage agreed. But it's a pretty big move, and sensible in a lot of ways as they retain their ICEV production capabilities with the option to scale down.
Note also: NO standard hybrids. Unlike Toyota who think that's totally cool and customers don't really want PHEV or BEV
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@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
We held off buying a new Mercedes because we heard a rumor this was coming (my wife works for a subsidiary, so we get a good deal). I’m really looking forward to seeing what these are like.
well fucking la-dee-da
#humblebrag
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I wouldn't* buy a great wall but it'll interesting to see how this stands up long term.
*you can also read that as "cant even afford to"
Great Wall: Next-gen ute outed, 500km electric model confirmed
That's right, the GWM ute is gunning for the established dual-cab leaders with its tough new model, set for reveal at the Shanghai motor show.
