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@Crucial said in British Politics:
I disagree. SOME MPs have correctly followed the wishes of their constituents (which is in itself a problem when you have a central referendum outcome being voted on by constituent MPs). Others have voted on just how shit the deal made was. They don't see the deal as being good or no deal as being good. That doesn't mean they are ignoring the referendum.
Putting the deal on offer (shit or not) to one side, 193 out of 650 MPs voted to revoke A50 & MPs narrowly voted against a second referendum by 12 votes.
So that's 30% of MPs who want to openly ignore the referendum result and nearly 50% wanting to overturn the result with a 2nd public vote (no matter how much they try to disguise it by voting against any deal)
That's pretty unprecedented in UK politics.
leavers will be reluctant to move away from the traditional Tory or Labour voting pattern they have made all of their life.
We'll have to see. Certainly opinion polling suggests otherwise.
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No Deal is, I think, the most favoured option amongst Leave voters. A Farage success in the EU elections would reinforce that and may concentrate minds in the HoC to come to a sensible compromise rather than a No Deal brexit happen by default
A lot depends on who the next PM is and whether Boris or a hard Brexiteer manages to get on the shortlist of 2 the party members get to vote on.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
So remove crap from the situation and leave shit in there.
Pretty much sums up things.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
No Deal is, I think, the most favoured option amongst Leave voters. A Farage success in the EU elections would reinforce that and may concentrate minds in the HoC to come to a sensible compromise rather than a No Deal brexit happen by default
A lot depends on who the next PM is and whether Boris or a hard Brexiteer manages to get on the shortlist of 2 the party members get to vote on.
But what else is there left to Compromise? IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed, it doesn't matter what the HoC discuss - it's either that deal or no-deal.
So I can't see anything other than no-deal. And I can't see it happening any other way than by default.
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@Victor-Meldrew One question I’ve not seen properly debated is how MPs that have remain constituencies should vote. Are they disrespecting the result of the referendum by voting in line with the preference of their constituents?
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GET FUCKED
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.
No summer recess. Sort this shit out.
SNP: Tory leadership election damages Brexit timeline
Scottish National Party MP Ian Blackford - who is the party's Westminster leader - has told the BBC that Mrs May's resignation has been "expected for some time" - but that it now causes problems with regards to the Brexit timeline.
The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October.
"The tragedy of all of this is that we're going to spend the next two months in an internal Tory leadership election," he said
"We'll have a new prime minister by the end of July, but of course Parliament then goes on recess. We're not going to come back until September, we're back for a couple of weeks, we're then back on recess again.
"We'll come back in the middle of October and we'll have very little time left to bring this whole Brexit chaos to a conclusion."
Asked about the possibility of a no-deal Brexit now being more likely, Mr Blackford added: "Parliament would have to take its own responsibilities if that is the case and I would remind everyone that we have that option of revoking Article 50 and stopping this process.
"Leaving the EU with no deal would be absolutely disastrous."
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BJ ok with No-deal. A telling video on Theresa May at the top of this article.
Either she's retarded/has somehow got to where she has without any negotiation skills or she had no intention whatsoever about leaving the EU.
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Who knows, maybe if the euro elections go a certain way we might see not just Farage but also Carl Benjamin and "Oh Voldemort Voldemort". I reckon a couple weeks with those guys in the European parliament will be enough for the EU to come back to the negotiation table begging for Brexit.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Pretty bad if it is faked but I see the telegraph is running with it now and the Twitter account that wrote this has been suspended.
edit.
Yeah looks like the assault was real but this 'shop owner's tweet is fake, looks like he is some sort of prankster -
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
For what its worth. Recent Westminster intention poll showing Brexit just 1 point behind Labour.
Although pretty damning for the Tories, it is only the Euro elections. Expectations of a protest vote, especially in the current balls up are high. How this would translate to e General election is probably quite different. The Euro backlash vote would likely see the Tories lose out to Labour or the LibDems and the same for Labour. It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
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@Calf said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew One question I’ve not seen properly debated is how MPs that have remain constituencies should vote. Are they disrespecting the result of the referendum by voting in line with the preference of their constituents?
What manifesto were they elected on?
No Tories or Labour MP was elected on a revoke Article 50 or re-run the referendum policy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
What stance? May has been so supine I'd question if it's ever been challenged.
Can't think of a single concession the EU has made can you?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
We be seem to living in times where the "rare and unprecedented" is becoming the normal.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
What stance? May has been so supine I'd question if it's ever been challenged.
Can't think of a single concession the EU has made can you?
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
We be seem to living in times where the "rare and unprecedented" is becoming the normal.
We're certainly in interesting times. I guess we'll find out whether there is any impact on a GE as the Tories are in disarray and you do wonder if a GE is likely sooner than the calendar would indicate.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
I'm missing something here. Why would the HoC not want to back a concession from the EU which benefits the UK?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
I'm missing something here. Why would the HoC not want to back a concession from the EU which benefits the UK?
Broader terms. I should have said and still get the backing of the Commons for an agreement. The Commons is a clusterfuck of divided opinions, so getting any form of agreement is seemingly fanciful. Everyone knows this, certainly the EU know this. Why would they make any concessions when they know how weak we are?
i get your point, but I just don't see it as that simple. We cannot agree amongst ourselves even if we had a unilateral decision option.
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