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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@antipodean I believe they did release the finding (essentially he was guilty of the breach), but I can understand why they didn't release the back-and-forth of the hearing itself.
What could be an interesting legal argument if the ARU seek to use the transcript of the CoC proceeding is procedural fairness. Whilst not the place of the Fair Work Commission to determine but if Folau says that he was not afforded procedural fairness given the public comments of the ARU prior to the CoC hearing (eg we are moving to terminate Folau’s contract), then it might weigh on the admissibility of that evidence.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I'd suggest the ARU and rugby more broadly gave Folau access to money and opportunity he never could have gained in the NRL or AFL.
His profile has grown exponentially around the world since he moved to rugby.
Given his AFL contract was reported as being $6 million over 4 years, signing for $5 million over 4 years seems like a step down now, no? Also for every contract he has signed with the ARU there has been an equal or better contract elsewhere, mostly in France.
The profile question is more arguable. With SBW, not unlike Izzy, sure he has better name recognition in rugby playing nations since the code switch but in terms of where his profile drives revenue in both cases I would say it is equal or has waned somewhat since the code switch. Regardless, in both cases they had sufficient a profile in league to command big bucks in France straight out of league in the late 00's as did Hunt and to a lesser extent Gasnier.
Like SBW and the NZRU to argue the Folau and ARU was nothing but a transactional relationship is the type of fanciful thinking that has got the ARU where they now are.
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AR have had an appalling record with highly paid poached leagies. Sailor and KHunt done for cocaine, Walker had all kinds of discretions, and Tiquri also got the arse for disciplinary reasons. And now of course we have Finugen potentially bringing Aus rugby to the point of bankruptcy. Here's an idea, don't spend millions on league stars. Idiots.
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The connection between League and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 escapes me.
Brad Thorn and Sonny Bill came from that same professional culture, and neither has been a detriment to the AB culture, indeed I think they’ve both contributed positively to the culture, especially in regards to training, discipline, work ethic, keeping their noses clean, etc. Both are fairly religious too.
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Jesus, the Waratahs are soft. Several years back the Crusaders went through an earthquake, played rejigged match fixtures all over the place and made the final. Israel Folau tweets Corinthians and the Waratahs need mommy to tuck them into bed.
Wounded Wallaby: Waratahs blame Folau for wrecking their season
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12238866
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A bit simplistic. They lost their best player and most prolific tryscorer in a very public and disruptive way.
The comparison to the Saders is unfair. Teams can 'bind together' in hardship (where everyone is equally affected), but this was different. One player just walked out mid-season, and took a few blokes with him. It undoubtedly divided the dressing room, and I'm not surprised it had a detrimental effect on performance.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
Jesus, the Waratahs are soft. Several years back the Crusaders went through an earthquake, played rejigged match fixtures all over the place and made the final. Israel Folau tweets Corinthians and the Waratahs need mommy to tuck them into bed.
Wounded Wallaby: Waratahs blame Folau for wrecking their season
I'd take that NZ Herald's take on it with a grain of salt. Even Phipps deserves to have his words taken in context and as Fitzpatrick says:
"It's been pretty glaring that there's been some stuff going on in our team but full credit to our guys and the resilience they've shown in really trying to stick to the job week to week,""I don't want to use that as an excuse because I feel we've prepared well, had game plans specifically prepared for the teams we were playing."
They weren't exactly on fire prior to this fiasco, so it's a bit rich to suggest that this is the reason the season has been shit. Phipp's passing can explain a healthy percentage...
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Nick Phipps.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11725503
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11701335
So he is a bit of a whiney, petulant child that makes excuses i.e. a halfback
(but yes it must have been a bit off putting).
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy let’s not forget his cheating in the World Cup QF against Scotland.
or urinating in a public premises
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@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
I saw Folau was trending on twitter last night, and it was for another anti-gay rant at his church.
To be honest, I wish the media would stop giving this twat a platform and oxygenising his bullshit. His sermons don't need to be reported on.
That's not going to happen unfortunately and feeds nicely into the conspiracy theory I heard at club rugby on the weekend; namely that the rights are coming up and it suits News Ltd to not have to pay a premium, so the more they report on it the more the brand is damaged in the short term.
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@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
I saw Folau was trending on twitter last night, and it was for another anti-gay rant at his church.
To be honest, I wish the media would stop giving this twat a platform and oxygenising his bullshit. His sermons don't need to be reported on.
Not sure how I feel about editors quoting from church sermons. Bit of a closed, private environment I'd have thought. This type of reporting acceptable at any church, temple or mosque?
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Folau is full of bile and bitterness. His views are expressed with all the charm and eloquence of an irate stoat. Of course, he and his like are allowed to express their opinions in a free society, but there are many things more deserving of the media's attention.
Hopefully one day, Folau will reflect on the implications of his hate preaching for vulnerable young people (who contribute so much more to human progress than him), but I am not holding my breath. Until he has something worthwhile to say, he is best ignored.
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@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
I saw Folau was trending on twitter last night, and it was for another anti-gay rant at his church.
To be honest, I wish the media would stop giving this twat a platform and oxygenising his bullshit. His sermons don't need to be reported on.
I didn't know about it until you reported on it.
Cheers
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