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@Crucial said in The Folau Factor:
@Jaguares4real said in The Folau Factor:
@Frank said in The Folau Factor:
Bullshit like this from GoFundMe is part of the reason why the conservative party in Aus. recently won the 'unwinnable' election.
Agree
The more folks talk about tolerance yet exhibiting it rarely in your political views/opinions the more they expose yourself to be a condescending hypocrite
It's a worldwide trend:
Trump Brexit Bolsanaro Morrison Modi winning with an absolute majority
Exclusivity does NOT mean conformity of opinions into echo chambers and corporate censorship
I always laugh at fools who utter "They're a private company who are enforcing their Terms of Service"
The willingness to concede & accept such authoritarian behaviour is sad to see
But as Lenin said "Useful Idiots"
It is hardly foolish to point out that someone was using a service that specifically excluded that usage in their T&Cs.
I see a lot of talk about these T&C's for both his employment contract and Go-Fund-Me. Do you have either that clearly show he is in the wrong here?
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@Jaguares4real although while he is supposedly fighting for freedom of speech, he has turned off commenting on his posts...
They been talking about Maria alot on the Radio this morning...is a tough one for her, given she is entitled to support her husband, she has remained largely quiet on the subject, but since she shared his fundme thing, people have started asking about her views.
@Rembrandt isnt that aspect going to come up in his court case, about his breach of code of conduct, as in, if there was something in his contract or not?
The fundme Ts and Cs is supposedly around promoting hate speech, which his fight is to defend his right to say what he wants, despite it supposedly being hate speech...
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@taniwharugby said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt isnt that aspect going to come up in his court case, about his breach of code of conduct?
Yes that was my understanding, we need to wait for the case to see what the actual details are. Reporting leading up to this seems to suggest it wasn't as cut-and-dried as many are making it out.
The fundme Ts and Cs is supposedly around promoting hate speech, which his fight is to defend his right to say what he wants, despite it supposedly being hate speech...
Sounds pretty vague, happy to be proven wrong but I don't think he broke T&C's. @Crucial seems pretty certain, prove me wrong bud!
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
@taniwharugby said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt isnt that aspect going to come up in his court case, about his breach of code of conduct?
Yes that was my understanding, we need to wait for the case to see what the actual details are. Reporting leading up to this seems to suggest it wasn't as cut-and-dried as many are making it out.
The fundme Ts and Cs is supposedly around promoting hate speech, which his fight is to defend his right to say what he wants, despite it supposedly being hate speech...
Sounds pretty vague, happy to be proven wrong but I don't think he broke T&C's. @Crucial seems pretty certain, prove me wrong bud!
Other than a statement about solidarity with the LGWTFKWNTJDKWMRK community I don't think they've banned him because of the T&Cs. If that were the case then I think there would be a shit load more causes that would need to get the arse. But obviously they won't.
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@Jaguares4real said in The Folau Factor:
Guess who's back Fundraising again
https://www.acl.org.au/donate_izzy
He already raised over AUS $200,000 in a mater of hours
Good on Izzy
The PC Mob in the name of "tolerance" have made him a bigger cause to donate to
Plus he's got a AUS $100,000 donation from a Christian lobby group and access to their platform
#IStandWithFolau
I have a strong suspicion that this going to be a game of Whack-A-Mole, but I donated again, and this time with a bigger donation as one atheistsā F.U. to Gofundme.
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Also as a comparison we have these campaigns in operation for known Australians seeking legal fees
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The bloke behind the new funding platform is a whole lot better at writing the profile.
Recently the online fundraising platform GoFundMe shut down Israel Folauās legal defence fund and turned away hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations.
On behalf of the Australian Christian Lobby, I have spoken to Israel Folau to let him know that ACL will be donating $100,000 to his legal defence, because itās right and it sets an important legal precedent.
I have also offered to host his online appeal for funds here on our website and he has accepted our offer.
All gifts you give on this web page will be deposited into a trust account to pay for Israel Folauās legal case.
Straight away I'd feel more comfortable donating here, funds will be going to legal fees and the importance of creating a legal precedent.
Now the big question, will the mob shut this down? There's been a number of examples of payment processors, app stores, credit card companies and even banks refusing service to people that question current orthodoxy.
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
The bloke behind the new funding platform is a whole lot better at writing the profile.
Recently the online fundraising platform GoFundMe shut down Israel Folauās legal defence fund and turned away hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations.
On behalf of the Australian Christian Lobby, I have spoken to Israel Folau to let him know that ACL will be donating $100,000 to his legal defence, because itās right and it sets an important legal precedent.
I have also offered to host his online appeal for funds here on our website and he has accepted our offer.
All gifts you give on this web page will be deposited into a trust account to pay for Israel Folauās legal case.
Straight away I'd feel more comfortable donating here, funds will be going to legal fees and the importance of creating a legal precedent.
Now the big question, will the mob shut this down? There's been a number of examples of payment processors, app stores, credit card companies and even banks refusing service to people that question current orthodoxy.
No commission to the platform either I'd imagine. When will these dickheads ever learn.
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Pete Fitzsimmons called out for his hypocrisy regarding GoFundMe.
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This has moved away from a rugby issue, and is now so much broader.
I'd love Folau to drop the $10m damages tag and actually just have the theoretical argument about religion, speech, contract law, codes of conduct, the right to offend and all the other things wrapped up in this.
Because if he DOES win with damages, that will quite literally bankrupt Australian rugby. Is that a proportionate outcome? Hundreds of people losing their jobs, and thousands losing the ability to support the sport they love at the highest level.
If we remove that possibility (just make it about his contract as it stood) then I think this takes on a different complexion.
And I think he would draw a few more people to his cause. I'm broadly sympathetic to some of his principles here, but I can't countenance that with the damage he is trying to do to the game I love.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
This has moved away from a rugby issue, and is now so much broader.
I'd love Folau to drop the $10m damages tag and actually just have the theoretical argument about religion, speech, contract law, codes of conduct, the right to offend and all the other things wrapped up in this.
Because if he DOES win with damages, that will quite literally bankrupt Australian rugby. Is that a proportionate outcome? Hundreds of people losing their jobs, and thousands losing the ability to support the sport they love at the highest level.
If we remove that possibility (just make it about his contract as it stood) then I think this takes on a different complexion.
And I think he would draw a few more people to his cause. I'm broadly sympathetic to some of his principles here, but I can't countenance that with the damage he is trying to do to the game I love.
Iāve seen a lot of these matters and I can tell you that even if Folau is successful, that damages claim will not be paid.
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Also as a comparison we have these campaigns in operation for known Australians seeking legal fees
There would be a very strong argument against Senator Hanson-Youngās level of āinclusivenessā with some of her comments over the years....
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@barbarian I don't think this was ever a rugby issue mate. The moment ARU allowed some tweets but not others this was never about rugby but more about virtue signalling to a fan base of rugby people who didn't really care what he'd tweeted.
You appear to apportion no responsibility to the ARU, I notice, just all blame to a sovereign individual exercising his legal right to appeal.
Presumably the ARU have all their ducks in a row and they'll demonstrate good governance and be fine, in the face of this appeal. If not, will you still blame Israel for bankrupting AR?
Get woke go broke
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian I don't think this was ever a rugby issue mate. The moment ARU allowed some tweets but not others this was never about rugby but more about virtue signalling to a fan base of rugby people who didn't really care what he'd tweeted.
You appear to apportion no responsibility to the ARU, I notice, just all blame to a sovereign individual exercising his legal right to appeal.
Presumably the ARU have all their ducks in a row and they'll demonstrate good governance and be fine, in the face of this appeal. If not, will you still blame Israel for bankrupting AR?
If Israel wins with damages (acknowledge it's a big if) then yes I will blame him. How could you not?
I don't disagree with RA's course of action, though I acknowledge some people did (jury is very much out on the proportion of fans in each camp). And they could have taken steps earlier to prevent the situation from happening, sure.
But surely you'd forgive them for not thinking that their actions would see them end up in the High Court as a test case for religious freedoms in the Australian workplace.
Which I suppose is my broader point. If we remove the prospect of an entire sport going under (which is the damages component), then I think the case takes on a slightly different tone.
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https://www.acl.org.au/donate_izzy
The fund is now $400,000 already raised in hours ššš
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@Jaguares4real will never know, but how many of them will just be the same ones donating thier refund from fundme as opposed to 'new' donations.
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@barbarian good reply, thanks. An entire sport going under leads me to look in the direction of the administration, rather than one sole individual. A bit rich blaming 2 tweets if that were to happen.
Obviously the outcome of this mess will cause all of us to reassess or stance on this.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian I don't think this was ever a rugby issue mate. The moment ARU allowed some tweets but not others this was never about rugby but more about virtue signalling to a fan base of rugby people who didn't really care what he'd tweeted.
You appear to apportion no responsibility to the ARU, I notice, just all blame to a sovereign individual exercising his legal right to appeal.
Presumably the ARU have all their ducks in a row and they'll demonstrate good governance and be fine, in the face of this appeal. If not, will you still blame Israel for bankrupting AR?
If Israel wins with damages (acknowledge it's a big if) then yes I will blame him. How could you not?
I don't disagree with RA's course of action, though I acknowledge some people did (jury is very much out on the proportion of fans in each camp). And they could have taken steps earlier to prevent the situation from happening, sure.
But surely you'd forgive them for not thinking that their actions would see them end up in the High Court as a test case for religious freedoms in the Australian workplace.
Which I suppose is my broader point. If we remove the prospect of an entire sport going under (which is the damages component), then I think the case takes on a slightly different tone.
Bolded bit.
What, denying a multi millionaire the chance to play in a world cup after 4 years preparation, because of a tweet, and there's no way he was going to sue?
Not in this day and age mate. That's a consideration for small businesses let alone multi million dollar organisations. Foolishly naive and worthy of criticism
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@Siam I suppose I should be more clear.
I think the prospects of litigation were good. But the kink in this case has been his complete refusal to discuss any form of settlement, which is normally where these things all end.
You'd be forgiven for thinking the worst case scenario was that you settled out of court (for some percentage of his contract) and he went off to Japan.
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
What, denying a multi millionaire the chance to play in a world cup after 4 years preparation, because of a tweet, and there's no way he was going to sue?
haha, not really relevant given recent goings on....
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