Alternative to Red Cards?
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@Kirwan said in Alternative to Red Cards?:
It easy to avoid, and very rare.
On the face of it I agree with you, then again I've seem Sam Warburton and Ben Smith - two bloody smart, even keeled players commit red card offences in knockout games for seemingly no apparent reason. Mental blocks and brain farts happen.
The current system works pretty well for league tournaments like Super Rugby but ignores the realities of international rugby where RWC's come around once every four years, a Grand Slam every six or so and a Lions tour every twelve. I would prefer they roll things back to the 00's era where red cards were reserved for wilfully violent acts and repeated infringements and increase the post-game suspensions.
In the current era with one more camera angle and an overzealous TMO who has been given the mandate to "send a message" Game 1 of the 2005 Lions series is over before it began. Talk about wind out of the sails. Wait another 12 years...
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It's almost like a duckworth-lewis (insert other name they added) type approach. How do you calculate the penalty in a meaningful and repeatable way. I do like the idea of mid-way card or call between yellow and red - where you sit down for longer but aren't rubbed out of the game entirely.
But the one aspect that @Kirwan alluded to is the total grub play or a high end offence that takes another player off the field. Hmmm could it be something like 20min but if the player they hurt doesn't return they can't either? That could be abused no doubt, but I agree there still needs to be a top tier option for that sort of play.
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I've always thought having the man gone for rest of the match but team can replace them after a period, either 10 mins like a YC or maybe make it a 15 min sanction.
IMO the sanction ruins the game as a spectacle, very rarely does a player do the dangerous action with the sole intention of injuring or hurting someone, particularly at the elite level, this is their job, deliberately hurting another would impact their income (maybe add in a financial implication too, based on their earnings)
As dumb as these incidents might be, I am not convinced they are done with malicious intent - the French guy whose one was cancelled, SBW, one was timing the other technique, neither malicious IMO - if it is a punch or kick, IMO much easier to distinguish that kind of foul play.
It is most often down to poor timing, poor technique and add in a bit of bad luck with the other person in the situation who you have zero control over.
Maybe a technique related red card and a one for actions not within the game (punch, kick, head butts etc)
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The league system of putting a player on report has pros and cons too. On one hand, video evidence may exonerate a player who may well have been sent off, but the flip side is that the player gets a lengthy ban but his team has not been materially punished, and may even have won the game.
I think there would definitely need to be a points deterrent and 14 pts is still significant in the context of a game. Maybe the player then needs to be immediately replaced but the team still has 15 players on the field. The complication is if the player replaced is a replacement themselves. In that situation the team would have to rearrange their team or lose a man if it's a front rower, like the current law.
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Red card = man sent off. He can be replaced after 20 minutes to bring the game back to 15 players.
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@Billy-Tell said in Alternative to Red Cards?:
Red card = man sent off. He can be replaced after 20 minutes to bring the game back to 15 players.
This could work as you lose a sub and that time. I would add a Red+ for violent acts, and that's the same as it is now.
I can see the benefits now that reckless play is being punished more severely to have a halfway house between what we have now.
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@Tim yes, but we don't want to get to complex. There seems room for an a system lik this;
White: On report to be looked at by the judicary, no on field sanction other than a penalty.
Yellow: As it is now
Red: 20mins, and the the player can't come back but you can use a sub to get back to 15
Black: Off for the whole game,for violent acts.
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@Kirwan I was focussing on the "black" end, as it is the one that ruins games for the crowd. The problem is that spectators have no expectation that the red-card team can win. Now if there was a serious points penalty, but not a 14 man deficit for the entire game, then perhaps we would have a better solution?
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