Hansen needs his head read
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@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
I doubt the fans of a country that wins the RWC would give a **** what I think anyway.
going by the opinion of the fans of the team that won the last 2, i would say you are right
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favoritism is a funny old thing...at the bookies, NZ is almost always favorites arent they, I mean if they are opening a book on the RWC and even with NZ in shite form, they arent gonna give too longer odds, just because we should always be capable of winning.
I reckon 99 and 07 were real chokes though, sucks I was at one of them too.
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@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
Obviously I want the All Blacks to win the Rugby World Cup.
If not, then a national side that shares a few of our values:
- Looks to score tries and entertain.
- Wins with humility and respects their opponents.
- Keen to help communities and nurture the grassroots of the game.
4. Custodians of the game
Fixed
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I guess we are going to disagree about this one. But the 2015 team won a lot of admirers for the style in which they played the game and their manner off it e.g. SBW winning a global award for sportsmanship for giving away his medal. Dan Carter winning BBC overseas sports personality of the year.
Ultimately, the role of sports teams is to win. But the 2015 RWC winners (& the 1991+99Aussies, 2003 England, 1995+ 2007 South Africa) show you can win and be classy at same time. I'd like to think that whoever wins in 2019 has at least some of that.
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@rotated said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
Bookies had us marginal favourites in 1999 and 2003 too, but nowhere near evens. But 'public' teams, like the ABs are always going to get the edge with the bookies so that may be deceiving.
Every loss in the tournament (perhaps with the exception of the 1999 bronze game) has been an upset.
Which bookies? NZ TAB? England were clear favs in '03.
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@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
Laurie ... think you might be few years out ...
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@Snowy said in Hansen needs his head read:
@taniwharugby said in Hansen needs his head read:
I think I'd prefer the Bok win it if we dont though.
Wouldn't mind the Boks either - but it gives them three as well. Our bragging rights diminishing and @__Billy-Webb is hanging around here again so can't have that.__
They do have a good team though and playing some pretty good rugby.
That first match is going to be huge and with Kermit as ref anything could happen.
That made me chuckle.
This is one of the more wide open looking RWC's I can remember for some time.
AB's must still be favourites, but possibly less than before. Could handle them winning, but then they're opening the gap on the Boks a bit too much
Ireland, Wales and England all look like they have decent teams. If the Irish or Welsh take it I won't be too bleak. Not England for me. Probably my intense dislike for Farrell shining through here.
Aussie will be up for it despite their recent up-and-down performances. They just always are. Not keen on them getting another title - sorry @NTA
And then there's the French. If any team can claim to step it up at a RWC it's the froggies.
So in no particular order - or maybe in my exact wishlist order - the following are in with a good shot imo:
Boks
AB's
Wales
Ireland
France
Wallabies
EnglandReckon it is a stretch for the other teams - but not discounting that they will cause one or two upsets.
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@Billy-Webb said in Hansen needs his head read:
Reckon it is a stretch for the other teams - but not discounting that they will cause one or two upsets.
It's always the same. A decent forward pack that shows up and gets physical will have you in the game. Backs help, but anyone who can front physically will be competitive.
Doing it three weeks ina row, however, is more difficult
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@booboo said in Hansen needs his head read:
@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
Laurie ... think you might be few years out ...
Oops. 1995... yeah we were big favourites in 15 😬
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@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
I'm pretty sure the aussies were favourites in 87 and 95 .
I'd call 1999 a choke, the other losses I don't think really stack up as chokes . Its quite odd to see every ab rwc loss considered to be a choke but if it means the teams are undeserving pretenders I'm cool with it I guess. Hard to argue with that logic.
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In saying Wales I completely forgot about the Gatland factor. Stuff that for a bad joke.
I’ll take France
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@ACT-Crusader said in Hansen needs his head read:
In saying Wales I completely forgot about the Gatland factor. Stuff that for a bad joke.
I’ll take France
Good point . Fuck the rest of them , Argentina or gtfo.
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@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
something British Under 12 sides are taught to do
I have coached kids rugby now for 9 seasons, this year U14, a DG has never featured in our gameplan, sure the kids love to do them instead of warming up properly, plus I have never seen any team in that time take one in a game, in fact I think I have seen only a few penalty goals.
Take out of that what you want.
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@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
@jegga In 2007 All Blacks were favourites. Even allowing for the injuries and Barnes-factor, it was a choke. The ABs would have won that game if they had remembered how to set up a drop goal (something British Under 12 sides are taught to do).
So you can win when you're effectively the only team being penalised?
Also drop goals go against number 1 on your list.
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@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
I guess we are going to disagree about this one. But the 2015 team won a lot of admirers for the style in which they played the game and their manner off it e.g. SBW winning a global award for sportsmanship for giving away his medal. Dan Carter winning BBC overseas sports personality of the year.
Ultimately, the role of sports teams is to win. But the 2015 RWC winners (& the 1991+99Aussies, 2003 England, 1995+ 2007 South Africa) show you can win and be classy at same time. I'd like to think that whoever wins in 2019 has at least some of that.
So just the '87 and 2011 lot were a bit naff then?
