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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
And I am sure nobody in NZ is struggling to find crap staff. Which is what you said
Not sure if you're serious, but finding staff who show up to work in a state to work consistently is a damn sight harder than you'd think. Wages sadly have limited correlation to that. If anything, paying more can lead some to cop out more as they have more folding.
Source: Anecdata from up north
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
And I am sure nobody in NZ is struggling to find crap staff. Which is what you said
Not sure if you're serious, but finding staff who show up to work in a state to work consistently is a damn sight harder than you'd think. Wages sadly have limited correlation to that. If anything, paying more can lead some to cop out more as they have more folding.
Source: Anecdata from up north
He didn't say staff that turned up, he said crap staff.
He said he pays WAY above his competitors and cannot even get crap staff. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback doesn’t that just mean he thinks he’s playing a good salary but still gets unreliable/crap staff?
I’m struggling to follow either of you to be honest.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
And I am sure nobody in NZ is struggling to find crap staff. Which is what you said
Not sure if you're serious, but finding staff who show up to work in a state to work consistently is a damn sight harder than you'd think. Wages sadly have limited correlation to that. If anything, paying more can lead some to cop out more as they have more folding.
Source: Anecdata from up north
He didn't say staff that turned up, he said crap staff.
He said he pays WAY above his competitors and cannot even get crap staff.I would have thought if you offer more money than your competitors, assuming the work description is similar, you will probably get interest from superior prospects than those offering less money to do the same job?
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
And I am sure nobody in NZ is struggling to find crap staff. Which is what you said
Not sure if you're serious, but finding staff who show up to work in a state to work consistently is a damn sight harder than you'd think. Wages sadly have limited correlation to that. If anything, paying more can lead some to cop out more as they have more folding.
Source: Anecdata from up north
He didn't say staff that turned up, he said crap staff.
He said he pays WAY above his competitors and cannot even get crap staff.I would have thought if you offer more money than your competitors, assuming the work description is similar, you will probably get interest from superior prospects than those offering less money to do the same job?
I would have thought that too .
When you have 4% unemployment those that don’t have jobs tend to exhibit symptoms of extreme ferality or other unemployable traits though.
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
And I am sure nobody in NZ is struggling to find crap staff. Which is what you said
Not sure if you're serious, but finding staff who show up to work in a state to work consistently is a damn sight harder than you'd think. Wages sadly have limited correlation to that. If anything, paying more can lead some to cop out more as they have more folding.
Source: Anecdata from up north
He didn't say staff that turned up, he said crap staff.
He said he pays WAY above his competitors and cannot even get crap staff.I would have thought if you offer more money than your competitors, assuming the work description is similar, you will probably get interest from superior prospects than those offering less money to do the same job?
I would have thought that too .
When you have 4% unemployment those that don’t have jobs tend to exhibit symptoms of extreme ferality or other unemployable traits though.
I suppose you just get candidates who are less shit than the others
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From my own perspective, we pay well above minimum wage and attract some good people. The problem with a rise in the minimum wage isn't our competitors, it's our suppliers who do pay minimum. We can expect a hike in costs, so we have to raise our prices or lay off staff to stay viable. Neither of which is terribly good for the economy.
Given that many of our customers are probably on not a lot more than minimum wage, are they better off with a pay rise? Supermarkets will have to raise prices to cope with increased costs, so disposable incomes for low earners really won't change much. It just seems to be a flawed concept when thought through.
Then there is the tax issue if employers lay off staff to cover the extra costs. Ex employee goes on dole, government provide safety net income from where? Tax. Business pays more tax, lays off more staff to cover costs. Current employees pay more tax, disposable income drops. Back where they started.
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@canefan We are in low inflation environment with low interest rates. Costs haven't gone up much, in fact things have been relatively stable.
Hiking wages will change that.
Disposable income and standard of living are the issue, not minimum wage.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy people always find things to spend what extra money they have on. It's never enough. I seem to recall seeing numbers a while back that showed we aren't exactly a nation of savers. And we aren't the only ones
That's the point - they are unlikely to have any extra money.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy people always find things to spend what extra money they have on. It's never enough. I seem to recall seeing numbers a while back that showed we aren't exactly a nation of savers. And we aren't the only ones
That's the point - they are unlikely to have any extra money.
Wage increases to a degree tie in with a perception of value. If I feel that my staff have worked hard and have made valuable contributions they will be considered for a wage increase. Of course this is tempered by the need to recoup the extra spend somehow....
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy people always find things to spend what extra money they have on. It's never enough. I seem to recall seeing numbers a while back that showed we aren't exactly a nation of savers. And we aren't the only ones
That's the point - they are unlikely to have any extra money.
Wage increases to a degree tie in with a perception of value. If I feel that my staff have worked hard and have made valuable contributions they will be considered for a wage increase. Of course this is tempered by the need to recoup the extra spend somehow....
Agreed, but that isn't tied to a "minimum" wage increase which is mandated by government.
I give profit share to enhance sales and staff performance / value. Very different to minimum wage.
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You’re repeated accusations of me lying are really tiresome and borderline offensive. Borderline in that over the decades I’ve come to realise that really all you like to do is make a lot of noise. I called you out twice 1 lots of commentators see business confidence surveys as meaningless 2. Unemployment is at a decade long low not high and increasing as you said. I gave an anecdote about my personal experience in hiring. (200 plus staff so a reasonable sample) it was clearly an anecdote just to give another experience but you decide to go all snarky yet again
You’re often wrong Baron. We all are. Just admit it.
Me voting or supporting Labour is another example. I did once in my life in 1978. -
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Feel free to point and laugh
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264492
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga The Green Party is 1980s student politics playing on a perpetual loop. Whoever believes giving them access to actual power is a good idea is a moron.
Last years lgbt parade got 30000 people last year, 2500 this year and has been defunded next year. Banning gay cops from wearing their uniforms in the parade and morons like Louisa Wall intimidating women who don't want troons in female changing rooms and toilets are behind the fall in support . I'm happy for the greens to carry on with this idiocy if their share of the party vote shows a similar freefall.
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