Southland Rugby
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@shark said in Southland Rugby:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Southland Rugby:
@Hooroo said in Southland Rugby:
@Stargazer said in Southland Rugby:
@Hooroo Why would I have the answer, if even NZRU doesn't seem to have one?
I don't think the NZRU is looking for an answer to this. I'm just interested in your thoughts as you seem to know why it won't work
It is a monumentally shit idea. Would artificially benefit low population areas. You would have the chiefs with 4 unions at a massive artificial disadvantage to unions in the Saders and and Landers.
It is up to Southland to pull themselves out of the shit not force players to live Southland if they want a central contract.
Would also prob hurt the Highlanders, as they would quickly become a least favourite destination for 'free agents' want a contract there.. gotta love in Invercargill or Dunedin nearly year round...fuck that. Almost as bad as being stuck in Chch.Boom! I'll take the bait from someone who's province proudly boasts dumps like Rotorua (the absolute king of dumps), Tauranga and Whakatane.
Canterbury has plenty of dumps... Only difference is our dumps are on stable land.
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@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
@Tim said in Southland Rugby:
Chop the NPC down to 11 teams - 10 round robin games, less squad weakness.
Three mergers? A lower SI side, North Auckland and the Central Vikings?
Bro! You’re striking some nerves there.
Never actually minded the name North Auckland, it’s what I remember as a little kid. But a merger with Harbour.. No thanks. Imagine it, a bunch of dreaded sun drenched pot heads driving Mercedes convertibles.
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@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
@Tim said in Southland Rugby:
Chop the NPC down to 11 teams - 10 round robin games, less squad weakness.
Three mergers? A lower SI side, North Auckland and the Central Vikings?
We need to expand from upvotes to reactions, including one that looks like this
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@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
@Tim said in Southland Rugby:
Chop the NPC down to 11 teams - 10 round robin games, less squad weakness.
Three mergers? A lower SI side, North Auckland and the Central Vikings?
Don't stop there. I reckon what we should do is form a lower SI side, upper SI side, lower NI side, central NI side and upper NI side. Now two games a week and a team having a bye every third week or so isn't much fun so we should pit these 'Super provinces' against Australian and South African teams. Who knows, maybe one day we could include a team from South America and/or an Asian side. Brilliant!!!
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@Duluth I just assumed you meant NH would have to merge into Northland, which I didnt see any problems with...I mean having 2 teams seperated by a silly little bridge is, well, silly.
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Nah you would keep the name, the history, the uniform and in return you just need to give up the home ground
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@taniwharugby said in Southland Rugby:
@Duluth I just assumed you meant NH would have to merge into Northland, which I didnt see any problems with...I mean having 2 teams seperated by a silly little bridge is, well, silly.
I’d happily take the name North Auckland back. We were historically better then. One of NZs best during the 60/70’s.. Now look at us.
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@Duluth Why have you included HB in your more defensive comment? It is pretty obvious you were referring to a merger between The 'Poo, Wanganui and Taranaki into one unit to be called Central Vikings hence no reason for HB supporters to become involved.
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@Higgins said in Southland Rugby:
@Duluth Why have you included HB in your more defensive comment? It is pretty obvious you were referring to a merger between The 'Poo, Wanganui and Taranaki into one unit to be called Central Vikings hence no reason for HB supporters to become involved.
No no he meant HB. I for one enjoyed that little merger. Worked bloody well.
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@gt12 said in Southland Rugby:
Nepia must be at work; I assumed the bat sign would have gone off over Sydney and he'd be on that in a heartbeat.
Just got home from my after work walk and too beat to find a gif that expresses how angry I am right now.
It’s not the Vikings themselves to be sure, it’s not even the bright orange jersey, it’s the unholiness of being associated with the Poo.
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@J77 said in Southland Rugby:
@Higgins said in Southland Rugby:
@Duluth Why have you included HB in your more defensive comment? It is pretty obvious you were referring to a merger between The 'Poo, Wanganui and Taranaki into one unit to be called Central Vikings hence no reason for HB supporters to become involved.
No no he meant HB. I for one enjoyed that little merger. Worked bloody well.
I bet you did! Stockcar86 and I were in attendance at Okara Park when the ground announcer took great pride in reading the ever increasing score in your guys favour as Northland all on its own 37 The Combined Manawatu-Hawkes Bay Team 10 that Friday night way back in 1997. Come to think of it he announced every score change in the same manner! The final score got to something around the fifty mark for the home side and the combined side scrambled a miniscule 13. The final later in the season, also at Okara Park, was given a miss and from memory it was an even greater pounding in the favour of Northland - all on it's own!
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I reckon Canterbury country would beat Southland. A shame the crfu don’t do more for country rugby in Canterbury. So much talent out there. We are a victim of our own success.
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I made a table of finishing positions for some of the teams
The teams are the old yo-yo teams of the 1990's, plus Manawatu and Otago
The start date is when the NPC format changed (2011)
The teams were listed from 1-14 after the round robin. Yes I know that's not fully correct as there are two divisions.. its just a rough guide
Team 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Best Finish Average Finish Taranaki 3 4 6 1 4 1 1 7 1 3.375 BOP 3 6 7 14 11 11 9 12 3 9.125 HB 9 7 10 9 8 7 13 10 7 9.125 Otago 10 9 9 13 10 8 10 9 8 9.75 Manawatu 8 13 12 8 7 11 12 13 7 10.5 Southland 7 11 11 11 13 14 14 14 7 11.875 Northland 12 12 13 10 14 13 11 11 10 12 The first really obvious point is that Taranaki is not like the others. Why? They are a former yo-yo team, not a SR base and a population similar to other lesser teams.
Northland and Otago are the sides that have not been in the 1st division
Otago deserve more criticism than they get
Southland's decline seems steady. Prior to 2011 they had some very good seasons too
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@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
The first really obvious point is that Taranaki is not like the others. Why?
When Naki were part of the Canes they always had a high number of Super players as they were the 'preferred' 2nd province (obviously a wee bit of bitterness in there but this is fact) and I think their association with the Chiefs has ensured they've continued to have a high number.
@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
The start date is when the NPC format changed (2011)
Is that correct? I think the actual change was the AirNZ Cup in 2006. Before that was the old 1st/2nd Div. Obviously I remeber this as it was when the Magpies were quite good (regular quarter and semi finalists) - pre the idiot coach from Canterbury days.
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@Nepia said in Southland Rugby:
@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
The start date is when the NPC format changed (2011)
Is that correct? I think the actual change was the AirNZ Cup in 2006. Before that was the old 1st/2nd Div.
The current format started in 2011
In 2010 it was 1 big division
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How did Taranaki finance a new stadium, and the recruitment of all those players? A really good year for dairy?
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@Duluth said in Southland Rugby:
But isn't the change from the old First and Second division the more relevant change than the change to two divisions who play across divisions if one of the main criteria is former yoyo teams of the 90s?
2010 ITM Cup - Wikipedia
