RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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Everything is done and dusted in the build up to this (aside from something happening on the training ground)
I think there are a few selections up for debate for this game, unlike big games in the last two world cups.
Do Reece and Bridge Start?
Does Smith go back to FullBack even if Mo'unga starts?
Does Mo'unga start ahead of BB?
Is it Crotty and ALB or SBW and Goodhue or another mix of those four?
I think the loosies are settled at Cane, Read and Savea?
Patrick T or S Barrett? I think it will be Patrick T though.
Does Jacobsen make the bench? -
Assuming everyone is fit
A Smith, Mo, Reiko, Goodhue, ALB, Smith, BB
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unless I'm wrong SA will look to play an England style game so we will have to show straight away how we plan to swing the game back to attack from rush defence.
For that reason I think we will see the dual playmaker system. If defences are going to stop movement at the first pod then we have to recycle quickly and play a second movement while their system is getting re-jigged. If they are already set then we kick to space.
Therefore it will be a Mounga/BB combo with Bender on the bench.
Centres will be SBW/Goodhue with ALB on bench. I just think Crotty is a bit underdone and SBW fits the gameplan better.
Apart from that no big surprises. Pat T starting with SB and Todd on bench. -
Agree Rieko should start although he needs a big game.
Patty T to start - in fine form at the moment. Jacobson on the bench - no need for another 7, especially one like Todd who isn't the most physically imposing against a big saffa pack.
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@Crucial said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
unless I'm wrong SA will look to play an England style game so we will have to show straight away how we plan to swing the game back to attack from rush defence.
For that reason I think we will see the dual playmaker system. If defences are going to stop movement at the first pod then we have to recycle quickly and play a second movement while their system is getting re-jigged. If they are already set then we kick to space.
Therefore it will be a Mounga/BB combo with Bender on the bench.
Centres will be SBW/Goodhue with ALB on bench. I just think Crotty is a bit underdone and SBW fits the gameplan better.
Apart from that no big surprises. Pat T starting with SB and Todd on bench.I agree with some on that but I think a fit Crotty starts against SA. He is such a good marshaller on defence and that will be needed
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@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Crucial said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
unless I'm wrong SA will look to play an England style game so we will have to show straight away how we plan to swing the game back to attack from rush defence.
For that reason I think we will see the dual playmaker system. If defences are going to stop movement at the first pod then we have to recycle quickly and play a second movement while their system is getting re-jigged. If they are already set then we kick to space.
Therefore it will be a Mounga/BB combo with Bender on the bench.
Centres will be SBW/Goodhue with ALB on bench. I just think Crotty is a bit underdone and SBW fits the gameplan better.
Apart from that no big surprises. Pat T starting with SB and Todd on bench.I agree with some on that but I think a fit Crotty starts against SA. He is such a good marshaller on defence and that will be needed
So, assuming we go the dual pivot route
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Tuipolotu
Whitelock
Cane
Read
SaveaSmith
Mo'unga
(take your pick here) - maybe Dubya?
(and again here) - maybe ALB or Goodhue?
Rieko
BFA - or Bridge?
BBI'm still not convinced they will play a dual pivot role, and right wing is still a bit unclear. Still strong.
I like Goodhue against the Saffers - he's had success against them last year in Welly, with a really dominant performance. Dubya might get the start, particularly if Mo'unga is at 10 and Smith 9. Having a beast midfield coudl be useful
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@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Crucial said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
unless I'm wrong SA will look to play an England style game so we will have to show straight away how we plan to swing the game back to attack from rush defence.
For that reason I think we will see the dual playmaker system. If defences are going to stop movement at the first pod then we have to recycle quickly and play a second movement while their system is getting re-jigged. If they are already set then we kick to space.
Therefore it will be a Mounga/BB combo with Bender on the bench.
Centres will be SBW/Goodhue with ALB on bench. I just think Crotty is a bit underdone and SBW fits the gameplan better.
Apart from that no big surprises. Pat T starting with SB and Todd on bench.I agree with some on that but I think a fit Crotty starts against SA. He is such a good marshaller on defence and that will be needed
So, assuming we go the dual pivot route
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Tuipolotu
Whitelock
Cane
Read
SaveaSmith
Mo'unga
(take your pick here) - maybe Dubya?
(and again here) - maybe ALB or Goodhue?
Rieko
BFA - or Bridge?
BBI'm still not convinced they will play a dual pivot role, and right wing is still a bit unclear. Still strong.
I like Goodhue against the Saffers - he's had success against them last year in Welly, with a really dominant performance. Dubya might get the start, particularly if Mo'unga is at 10 and Smith 9. Having a beast midfield coudl be useful
Wait! what?
You have just raised another selection debate that I thought was set in stone!! I have Coles starting over Taylor!!
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@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Crucial said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
unless I'm wrong SA will look to play an England style game so we will have to show straight away how we plan to swing the game back to attack from rush defence.
For that reason I think we will see the dual playmaker system. If defences are going to stop movement at the first pod then we have to recycle quickly and play a second movement while their system is getting re-jigged. If they are already set then we kick to space.
Therefore it will be a Mounga/BB combo with Bender on the bench.
Centres will be SBW/Goodhue with ALB on bench. I just think Crotty is a bit underdone and SBW fits the gameplan better.
Apart from that no big surprises. Pat T starting with SB and Todd on bench.I agree with some on that but I think a fit Crotty starts against SA. He is such a good marshaller on defence and that will be needed
So, assuming we go the dual pivot route
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Tuipolotu
Whitelock
Cane
Read
SaveaSmith
Mo'unga
(take your pick here) - maybe Dubya?
(and again here) - maybe ALB or Goodhue?
Rieko
BFA - or Bridge?
BBI'm still not convinced they will play a dual pivot role, and right wing is still a bit unclear. Still strong.
I like Goodhue against the Saffers - he's had success against them last year in Welly, with a really dominant performance. Dubya might get the start, particularly if Mo'unga is at 10 and Smith 9. Having a beast midfield coudl be useful
Wait! what?
You have just raised another selection debate that I thought was set in stone!! I have Coles starting over Taylor!!
wondered if that would raise any eyebrows
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@nzzp I reckon the mid-field and hooker are likely horses for courses type selections.
v Aus, I'd say as they tend to be a bit looser, you have Coles at 2, ALB in the mid-field, but v opposition who are a bit tighter, Taylor at 2, then Goodhue in the mid-field.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@nzzp I reckon the mid-field and hooker are likely horses for courses type selections.
v Aus, I'd say as they tend to be a bit looser, you have Coles at 2, ALB in the mid-field, but v opposition who are a bit tighter, Taylor at 2, then Goodhue in the mid-field.
Don't disagree at all.
My personal team against SA would have a SBW-Goodhue midfield, and frankly I prefer BFA at the back, Rieko at the left, and Bridge or AN Other on the right. That forces BB to 10, but I'm ok with that. Against SA you need some really physical players, and SBW could bring it.
This depends on both SBW and Goodhue being fit. If they haven't played for too long, we may well see a fitness drive Crotty/ALB midfield, with SBW and Goodhue easing back in throuhg the pools.
If you're the Saffers, what do you prepare for? Does anyone know the style NZ will play - dual playmakers, conventional 10 with pods, etc. Hopefully their coach falls into the trap of over-preparing for too many systems and confuses the hell out of the players
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@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
You have just raised another selection debate that I thought was set in stone!! I have Coles starting over Taylor!!
If the plan is fast, mobile move the ball away from the big SA guys, then you are probably right. Not that Taylor is slow but Coles (when he is fit) is more likely to suit the plan. Same with the dual play makers, I reckon.
Mid field - I have no idea what they will do. I suspect SBW and Goodhue with ALB on bench, but it really could be any combo.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
v Aus, I'd say as they tend to be a bit looser, you have Coles at 2, ALB in the mid-field, but v opposition who are a bit tighter, Taylor at 2, then Goodhue in the mid-field.
It really does depend on the plan against the different styles. Do you play to your own strengths (which I think we will and should) or counter the oppositions?
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@Snowy but does one style of play with certain personell nullify the opposition and allow you to play how you want better
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@taniwharugby Indeed, or change the plan having blunted the opposition plan by using the bench, and changing your own plan. Baldrick would be proud of so many cunning plans. Coaching dilemmas.
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huh, would you look at that. turns out i won't even watch it. I'm going camping. go team
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12 months ago or even 12 weeks ago I think everyone would’ve thought this thread would be led with “who plays at number 6”.
I think Taylor should start over Coles. I like Coles finishing the test and it’s less time for him to have a brain fade.
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@mariner4life said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
huh, would you look at that. turns out i won't even watch it. I'm going camping. go team
Yay! Nothing quite like someone else organising your itinerary during the WC!
