Law Application at RWC19

[Bones]

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

[Crucial]

@Bones said in Law Application at RWC19:

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

Agree that it is painful to watch but, like the offside blockers this is all due to WR not working out how to deal with the small tackle area where the defence has hardly anyone there so that their 'last feet' is only a step from the halfback.
If the refs didn't allow all of this farting around, snake construction and blocking we would just see endless charge downs.
What I would like to see trialled is that there has to be a clear and obvious gap from the 'ruck' to the defence. Something like a 1 metre no entry without binding zone.

[nzzp]

@Bones said in Law Application at RWC19:

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

I'm actually pleased we've started doing it rather than just bitching about it. Honestly, after Lions 2 in 2017, I thought our tactic off every ruck in teh game should be throwing a high pass for our player to jump and catch. If they get touched, penalty ... wreck the game and force a rule change. LIkewise with mauls - we should just exploit it all day, until people change the laws to stop it.

[taniwharugby]

@nzzp used to be alot simpler...hands on ball, ball is out.

[Bones]

@nzzp said in Law Application at RWC19:

@Bones said in Law Application at RWC19:

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

I'm actually pleased we've started doing it rather than just bitching about it. Honestly, after Lions 2 in 2017, I thought our tactic off every ruck in teh game should be throwing a high pass for our player to jump and catch. If they get touched, penalty ... wreck the game and force a rule change. LIkewise with mauls - we should just exploit it all day, until people change the laws to stop it.

I don't think that jump and catch needed a law change!

[TeWaio]

@nzzp said in Law Application at RWC19:

@Bones said in Law Application at RWC19:

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

I'm actually pleased we've started doing it rather than just bitching about it. Honestly, after Lions 2 in 2017, I thought our tactic off every ruck in teh game should be throwing a high pass for our player to jump and catch. If they get touched, penalty ... wreck the game and force a rule change. LIkewise with mauls - we should just exploit it all day, until people change the laws to stop it.

Sinckler jump tackle penalty to lose Lions 2 is still the most galling referring decision of the last few years, worse than Lions 3 "deal" / bullshit red cards / 6 runs instead of 5 off Stokes' diving bat / super overs / timed out when winning the clinching race in America's Cup 2013. Never forget.

[Machpants]

@TeWaio said in Law Application at RWC19:

@nzzp said in Law Application at RWC19:

@Bones said in Law Application at RWC19:

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

I'm actually pleased we've started doing it rather than just bitching about it. Honestly, after Lions 2 in 2017, I thought our tactic off every ruck in teh game should be throwing a high pass for our player to jump and catch. If they get touched, penalty ... wreck the game and force a rule change. LIkewise with mauls - we should just exploit it all day, until people change the laws to stop it.

Sinckler jump tackle penalty to lose Lions 2 is still the most galling referring decision of the last few years, worse than Lions 3 "deal" / bullshit red cards / 6 runs instead of 5 off Stokes' diving bat / super overs / timed out when winning the clinching race in America's Cup 2013. Never forget.

underarm bowling incident of 1981

[canefan]

@Machpants said in Law Application at RWC19:

@TeWaio said in Law Application at RWC19:

@nzzp said in Law Application at RWC19:

@Bones said in Law Application at RWC19:

@booboo said in Law Application at RWC19:

Seven games in and we've had a few issues.

For me:

• offside on box kicks. Too many players in front advancing or not retiring when within 10. Watching a replay of Italy v Namibia (got the man flu) and an awful example where virtually every player not in the ruck started running forward BEFORE the half back kicked it.

• offside at the breakdown. At times this has been awful. ARs have to do more to police this. Having said that sometimes the "hindmost foot" or however it is now defined can be fluid where players are involved/bound/attached to the breakdown (I won't use "ruck" coz often they're not).

Those are the two patterns I have issue with.

There have been decisions I disagreed with, and some 50/50 which Saffas would see as a conspiracy, bit you get that.

Any further thoughts?

Halfbacks fucking around with the ball at the breakdown, usually before kicking. Dig a bit, roll it with the foot, roll it with the hand, pick it up and put it closer to the base, so on and so on. Fuggen frustrating and I wish teams would start testing the ref on it.

I'm actually pleased we've started doing it rather than just bitching about it. Honestly, after Lions 2 in 2017, I thought our tactic off every ruck in teh game should be throwing a high pass for our player to jump and catch. If they get touched, penalty ... wreck the game and force a rule change. LIkewise with mauls - we should just exploit it all day, until people change the laws to stop it.

Sinckler jump tackle penalty to lose Lions 2 is still the most galling referring decision of the last few years, worse than Lions 3 "deal" / bullshit red cards / 6 runs instead of 5 off Stokes' diving bat / super overs / timed out when winning the clinching race in America's Cup 2013. Never forget.

underarm bowling incident of 1981

The Sneddon catch not given and G Chappell not walking in the same game

[Machpants]

Cheating Ozzie piston wristed gibbons. Best I make a YouTube video pointing out every one of these things, I hear it's all the rage amongst the incels of South Africa

[canefan]

@Machpants said in Law Application at RWC19:

Cheating Ozzie piston wristed gibbons. Best I make a YouTube video pointing out every one of these things, I hear it's all the rage amongst the incels of South Africa

Don't forget Dyer the liar!

[Stargazer]

World Rugby statement about the officiating in the first RWC round:

"Following the usual review of matches, the match officials team recognise that performances over the opening weekend of Rugby World Cup 2019 were not consistently of the standards set by World Rugby and themselves, but World Rugby is confident of the highest standards of officiating moving forward.

Elite match officials are required to make decisions in complex, high-pressure situations and there have been initial challenges with the use of technology and team communication, which have impacted decision-making. These are already being addressed by the team of 23 match officials to enhance consistency. 

Given this proactive approach, a strong team ethic and a superb support structure, World Rugby has every confidence in the team to ensure that Rugby World Cup 2019 delivers the highest levels of accurate, clear and consistent decision-making."

I have only copied and pasted the text of the statement as quoted in several articles, because the articles themselves put their own spin on it in their intros, depending on which team the author/site supports (or clearly doesn't support).

I found it on four different site, no doubt, more will follow:

Planet Rugby

Ultimate Rugby

Rugby Australia

SA Rugby Mag

I haven't seen the statement on the WR website, yet.

[NTA]

High tackle framework after tonight's game

[mofitzy_]

Have read quite a few comments that Paul Williams (NZ) was excellent in the England v Tonga game.

[canefan]

@mofitzy_ said in Law Application at RWC19:

Have read quite a few comments that Paul Williams (NZ) was excellent in the England v Tonga game.

I watched it and thought he did well. Got a few tricky calls just right

[taniwharugby]

@canefan yeah as mentioned in another thread, it did seem like the TMO was coaxing him to issuing a card on the Tongan that tackled WATSON when he had fallen to his knees, but he wasnt buying it.

I watched 60mins of that game and was one of the better ones I watched for the weekend.

[Sapetyvi]

[Billy Webb]

@Sapetyvi

Well.. the rabbit did attempt to use his arms.
And while he did make contact with the head - in mitigation it is a BIG head.

Just a yellow.

[NTA]

Post-game application of law: both Samoan yellow cards have been cited.

[Billy Webb]

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[Billy Webb]

While the focus so far this RWC seems to be around tackling technique and height, has anyone else got the impression that the refs are allowing a fair bit more sealing off at the ruck?

I'm watching Scotland v Samoa now and 15 minutes in, there have been at least 3 occasions where refs may have blown up the attacking side in the past.

Seemed to remember a couple in other games too... Anyone else seeing it this way?

Not a big deal - just something I thought was interesting.