Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism
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@Hooroo I'm not sure you love it at all!
Yes had a strong opinion on it, tempered somewhat through some good discussion and now have a different perspective than when I started. This is how people learn and grow.
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
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@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
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@Hooroo said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
Your disregard for the political forum and some of its posters. I welcome your view but you don't have to post if you think it inevitable a discussion devolving as being just par for the course here. I enjoy discussion and getting different points of view especially on sensitive subjects but I understand that it's not for everyone so many just put this on ignore.
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I watched the game.
During the first half, there was a group in the Bulgarian section of the crowd making noises whenever one of the English players of African-Caribbean heritage got the ball. Tyrone Mings spoke to the linesman Gareth Southgate spoke to the UEFA official. The game stopped. Warnings were given. The noises started up again. The game was stopped again. The TV cameras caught these guys making monkey chants and gestures and making Nazi salutes. There was a No Respect banner (UEFA's anti-racism campaign is called Respect). About 150 people (hooded and wearing black) were asked to leave at half time. There were more Nazi salutes as they left.
The Bulgarian captain went out during half time and pleaded with the crowd not to make any more racist chanting.
There were some isolated boos in the second half. But nothing like the open, organised displays of racism that went on in the first half.
England won 6-0.
Good comments from ex-England international Ian Wright who was one of ITV pundits on full-time. His generation of black players were taught to be like Martin Luther King and turn the other cheek. It didn't stop racism. This generation of player are much more savvy and Malcolm X-influenced. They realise that to defeat racism and racist scumbags, you need to deploy any means necessary.
Anyone defending Nazi salutes and thugs making monkey gestures at BAME players needs to give themselves a massive uppercut and learn some history.
Those of us who know our history will never rest until racism is defeated.
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@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Hooroo said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
Your disregard for the political forum and some of its posters. I welcome your view but you don't have to post if you think it inevitable a discussion devolving as being just par for the course here. I enjoy discussion and getting different points of view especially on sensitive subjects but I understand that it's not for everyone so many just put this on ignore.
But it is par for the course. Or just a tonne of copies of tweets and you tube videos.
But generally outrage due to ignorance
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Been a while since a dissection of one of your posts Siam, so lets put a toe in the water ...
@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
Rembrandt does raise a good point about not having to be a compulsory victim.
True, but this isn't some small thing. It's on a global stage. I don't think it should be ignored.
There needs to be a message, in conjunction with other strategies, that demonstrates that ignoring stupid talk and words needn't "ruin" your life or identity. A strength and resolve from within.
The players showed strength and resolve from within. They won 6-0. Mings, who was one of the main targets was on his debut for England. In the post match interview, he said he wasn't going to let it ruin his day, which for him was one of joy due to making his debut. He generally looked chuffed too - the perfect role model for this situation.
At the moment there is only pleading with authorities and finger pointing. Expecting the authorities to fix this unfixable issue ( people talking mean to people), or upholding the law is obviously not working.
And the pointing out of racism everywhere has worsened the world at a time when humans are less racist than ever.
We'll have to agree to disagree that this was merely mean talk. Things like this does make it feel like for all steps taken forwards, we are taking some back.
As for a solution- look for something that worked before, like the Norwich example. Ban the clubs and watch them sort it out as the coffers diminish.
That's EXACTLY what they have been doing. That's why it was only a small section of the crowd.
Demanding racist taunts just stop is like any other futile demand to do with law and order- it will only be heeded by people who would never vilify in the first place.
In the first instance you are probably right. However, we are a long way beyond the first instance. Bulgaria will probably play behind closed doors for a couple of games now. That keeps everybody out and punishes all. But lets see whose going to turn up when the doors reopen. I expect there to be some community policing going on.
On a related note, chatting about it with my spurs colleague this morning. He mentioned about how things have changed a lot. Not sure if you are aware, but a video went viral of a spurs fan who bought his mentally disabled child to the match, and her dancing in the stands after the match. He was saying that could never have happened 10 years ago and the fact that this is normal now shows how much football has cleaned up it's act. It's not perfect, and unlikely ever will be. But it's a long long way ahead of where it was.
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@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@sparky Any black players in the Bulgarian team mate, and were they taunted as well?
Would that have made it better?
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I don't mind the idea of cancelling the game due to the racist assholes. A bit of mob justice against them wouldn't be a bad thing. Now that their shitty behaviour is having an impact on others I'd hope they start copping more of a backlash and are ostracised from society.
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@Bones said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Siam one guy I saw looked coloured....
We were on a parents whatsapp group the other week for a sports event - one Mum messaged everyone saying she saw a kid warming up who looked way too old to be in our kids age group. But that maybe it was ok if he was disabled. And that he DID have one eye a different colour to the other.
Takes all kinds! š
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@mariner4life would have added context.
They'd have had to cheer if their black player scored
I don't think any white young person living in a western city can actually be racist in the true sense of the word in 2019. Too much info, too much multiculturalism.
This is a group of violence seekers before they're dyed in the wool racists, in my opinion. Just another European football hooligan story, as we've witnessed consistently for 50 odd years
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@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@mariner4life would have added context.
They'd have had to cheer if their black player scored
I don't think any white young person living in a western city can actually be racist in the true sense of the word in 2019. Too much info, too much multiculturalism.
This is a group of violence seekers before they're dyed in the wool racists, in my opinion. Just another European football hooligan story, as we've witnessed consistently for 50 odd years
Well that makes it all so much better
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Also did you read the article I posted? Bulgarian club fans chucked bananas at their own African striker.
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@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Hooroo said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
Your disregard for the political forum and some of its posters. I welcome your view but you don't have to post if you think it inevitable a discussion devolving as being just par for the course here. I enjoy discussion and getting different points of view especially on sensitive subjects but I understand that it's not for everyone so many just put this on ignore.
Mate it's worrying that you think you're getting varied points of view on the political forum. All the reasonable posters give up on it, and people have it on ignore because it is ignorant.
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@reprobate said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Hooroo said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
Your disregard for the political forum and some of its posters. I welcome your view but you don't have to post if you think it inevitable a discussion devolving as being just par for the course here. I enjoy discussion and getting different points of view especially on sensitive subjects but I understand that it's not for everyone so many just put this on ignore.
Mate it's worrying that you think you're getting varied points of view on the political forum. All the reasonable posters give up on it, and people have it on ignore because it is ignorant.
Agree.... and this topic confirms that some people on here are as racist and ignorant as I thought.
Monkey noises and neo nazi salutes by a large section of the crowd is unacceptable, Iām happy they called off the game
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Bulgarian goalkeeper sees no issue.
Football is an awful sport for this. Totally agree with suspending or cancelling a game when players are abused like that.