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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt You seriously see that letter as a positive? I genuinely thought it was satire.
I do. I havent seen any other letters from world leaders to each other, but that one is pretty clear and plainly spoken.
Some might think it isnt presidential enough, but I think ppoliticians are generally forked tongue dishonest fuckwits.. so I am not sure about this obsession for being more like themTrump is pretty glaringly dishonest, and pretty much anyone with a reasonable education could write a clear straightforward letter without it sounding like they are of limited mental capacity. Surprised it didn't mention his 'great and unmatched wisdom' or whatever that tweet was.
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@reprobate Dishonesty is comparative, compared to most folk on the street yeah I'd say he's dishonest, compared to other politicians maybe less so.
Certainly he exaggerates for effect much like the tweet you referenced. From what I can tell these exaggerations serve 2 purposes.
- Attention and coverage which served him incredibly well to get elected
- Claiming ground in a deal ie door-in-the-face technique
..actually maybe also 3) To drive some people insane, he is the master troll
What was that quote from a while back - "Trump haters takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally". Fascinating guy nonetheless and proven many wrong.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt You seriously see that letter as a positive? I genuinely thought it was satire.
I do. I havent seen any other letters from world leaders to each other, but that one is pretty clear and plainly spoken.
Some might think it isnt presidential enough, but I think ppoliticians are generally forked tongue dishonest fuckwits.. so I am not sure about this obsession for being more like themTrump is pretty glaringly dishonest, and pretty much anyone with a reasonable education could write a clear straightforward letter without it sounding like they are of limited mental capacity. Surprised it didn't mention his 'great and unmatched wisdom' or whatever that tweet was.
Cool, tell me which politician is more honest than Trump
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Cool, address the point don't make a new one. Trump is dishonest, demonstrably so.
There's no obsession with being like other politicians, it's in being like a decent normal person where he is lacking - in my great and unmatched humble opinion as a stable genius of course. -
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Cool, address the point don't make a new one. Trump is dishonest, demonstrably so.
There's no obsession with being like other politicians, it's in being like a decent normal person where he is lacking - in my great and unmatched humble opinion as a stable genius of course.You don't get to decide what point I address.
Trump is as honest as any other politician. And that is relevant as it shows the hypocrisy of those who make some facile point about his supposed dishonesty. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Actually it was you trying to decide what point I address 'tell me which politician...'.
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So you see @Rembrandt this is why there is no balance or varied viewpoints on the political forum. Comment accurately that Trump's letter reads like that of a child, get told it's honest; comment accurately that he's dishonest, get whatabouttery and accusations of being a social commentator who has crumbled in the face of that incredibly strong argument: hey, but other politicians are dishonest too.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
So you see @Rembrandt this is why there is no balance or varied viewpoints on the political forum. Comment accurately that Trump's letter reads like that of a child, get told it's honest; comment accurately that he's dishonest,
I don't see the issue here at all. You gave your opinion, others gave theirs. No one completely disagreed with the entirety of either of those statements, what they disagreed with was the scale and the intent. We don't all have to agree on a perspective, I don't mind people thinking he is acting like a dishonest child, hell that was my opinion back in 2016, its just not what I think anymore.
As for the rest, sure there are some 'elbows out' but no personal attacks (unless there is something deleted I'm missing?) and I don't see anyone arguing against a point you didn't make, fully understand getting out of it when that happens but I don't see it here.
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@Rembrandt Nah, the Baron referenced an obsession with Trump not being like other politicians, a point I never made and an opinion I do not hold; and whatabout other politicians of course.
Then Siam jumped in without debating any point whatsoever.
It's always like that, usually worse, and you just can't carry on a normal conversation under those circumstances, which is why everyone ditches the forum.
All I said is that the letter is childish, and that Trump is dishonest... and I'm right. But pointing that out isn't acceptable on here, hence the lack of varied viewpoints. -
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt Nah, the Baron referenced an obsession with Trump not being like other politicians, a point I never made and an opinion I do not hold; and whatabout other politicians of course.
Then Siam jumped in without debating any point whatsoever.
It's always like that, usually worse, and you just can't carry on a normal conversation under those circumstances, which is why everyone ditches the forum.
All I said is that the letter is childish, and that Trump is dishonest... and I'm right. But pointing that out isn't acceptable on here, hence the lack of varied viewpoints.Oh so all it takes for you to discuss politics is for others to bow down and agree with your truth....
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Apologies for inflicting a stuff link on y'all
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Behold!! Tulsi layeth the smack down. Bring. It. On.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Cool, address the point don't make a new one. Trump is dishonest, demonstrably so.
Trump sometimes fudges facts, and is prone to exaggeration.
But as far as honesty goes, he’s nowhere close to the Pinochio’s other politicians are.
He claimed he wasn’t going to campaign or govern like a typical politician. He was being truthful.
He claimed he was going to win the election, when media “experts” swore he was hallucinating and had, quote, “Zero path to 270.” He was right - again; the “experts“ were wrong - again.
Trump claimed he had nothing to do with Rooskie collusion and obstruction, and was proven right, yet again.
Either this man is the luckiest sonuvabitch who ever lived with a golden horseshoe embedded up his arsehole and the longest consecutive winning streak ever; or he’s the smartest super-genius villain who ever lived, having orchestrated the theft of a presidency and doing it so that none of the CIA, FBI, NSA or Interpol — who recorded every single phone call he made, and recorded every phone call of every associate he has — could pin a crime on him and he’s outsmarted ALL of ‘em. He’s Lex Luthor on brain steroids. And of course the New Dorian Gray, deflecting the heaviest abuse any politician of our lifetimes has ever received and strangely looking not a day older, and maybe even younger than when he descended the escalator four years ago.
I get that people who receive all their “information” from fake news sources and propaganda arms of the opposition party would likely think he’s the worst thing ever. That’s how indoctrination works.
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@Salacious-Crumb Just to add to that too. Trump was wealthy before getting into politics. I do wonder about folk like Biden/Pelosi etc from what I understand the Clintons were supposed to be broke too after Bill lost power.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
Behold!! Tulsi layeth the smack down. Bring. It. On.
I hope she runs next time . She seems to infuriate so many in her party
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@Salacious-Crumb Your proof of his honesty is that he said he was going to win the election and then did?
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