2020 All Blacks Squad
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@canefan he’s a big Ponsonby club man, puts a lot of effort into it, has strong family ties here and loves playing for Auckland. Why would moving help at all?
Only reason I would agree with is shit players getting picked because they have a Crusaders jersey on. Plenty of examples of that over the years.
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@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
It was interesting to read Christchurch rugby journalist Robert Van Royen's comment this week that Ioane had no chance to make the WC Squad because he was played into the ground by the Blues. He described his Super Rugby workload as "crazy".
Two years in a row too. Every freaking game, 80mins. Pretty similar in the NPC last year too.
Lazy apparently.
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@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
It was interesting to read Christchurch rugby journalist Robert Van Royen's comment this week that Ioane had no chance to make the WC Squad because he was played into the ground by the Blues. He described his Super Rugby workload as "crazy".
Two years in a row too. Every freaking game, 80mins. Pretty similar in the NPC last year too.
Lazy apparently.
Or he needs a coach and a team that can better manage his workload?
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@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
They managed him poorly.
Yes, and if they had selected the right players and tactics we should have won the cup. Wasted opportunity and disappointing.
I think with fresh energy from a new coaching group, more attention paid to bulk in the forwards, better skills practice combined with the natural talent in NZ, we can expect to be very close in 2023 as well. -
@Wairau said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
They managed him poorly.
Yes, and if they had selected the right players and tactics we should have won the cup. Wasted opportunity and disappointing.
I think with fresh energy from a new coaching group, more attention paid to bulk in the forwards, better skills practice combined with the natural talent in NZ, we can expect to be very close in 2023 as well.All hail nostradamus!
"Shocking news as New Zealand predicted to be contender for 2023 Rugby World Cup"
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Wairau said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
They managed him poorly.
Yes, and if they had selected the right players and tactics we should have won the cup. Wasted opportunity and disappointing.
I think with fresh energy from a new coaching group, more attention paid to bulk in the forwards, better skills practice combined with the natural talent in NZ, we can expect to be very close in 2023 as well.All hail nostradamus!
"Shocking news as New Zealand predicted to be contender for 2023 Rugby World Cup"
hahaha, I would prefer we swept the next two cups, then the Boks can have 2031
and a 90% win ratio the next 12 years, only 1 loss to England, no more to Ireland, none to Wales or Argentina. Basically, a continuation of form pre Lions, with a harder forwards approach.
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@sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Or the era of English dominance is going to be a long one.......
All of 7 days...
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@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
What a crock of shit, he hasn't started a test despite being far and away the best number 8 in the country last year, as I mentioned earlier Evans was selected last year and he's as loose as fudge for an 8.
Reminds me a bit of Mains not thinking Zinny was up to it, but luckily back then, he basically had Fitzy force his hand to pick him.
Best number 8 in the country! That's absolute gold! Are you here all week? How do i get tickets!?
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@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan he’s a big Ponsonby club man, puts a lot of effort into it, has strong family ties here and loves playing for Auckland. Why would moving help at all?
Only reason I would agree with is shit players getting picked because they have a Crusaders jersey on. Plenty of examples of that over the years.
Ahh, some realism. Yes he is shit. But i doubt a move to the Crusaders would help him. He'd probably end up holding Whetu Douglas's tackle bag all season.
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I may as well have a stab at a 23 for our first test next year:
1 Moody
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 S Barrett
5 Whitelock
6 Squire
7 Savea
8 L Jacobson9 Smith
10 Mo'unga
11 Bridge
12 ALB
13 Goodhue
14 R Ioane
15 B BarrettRes
Coles
Ofa T
Moli
Tuipulotu
Cane
Weber
J Barrett
JordanIn my team, Jordie primarily covers 12 as Jordan is the outside back cover. Ioane covers 13. Both need to spend considerable time in these positions for their franchises next year but in each case i believe the midfield spots are their best positions.
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@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
What a crock of shit, he hasn't started a test despite being far and away the best number 8 in the country last year, as I mentioned earlier Evans was selected last year and he's as loose as fudge for an 8.
Reminds me a bit of Mains not thinking Zinny was up to it, but luckily back then, he basically had Fitzy force his hand to pick him.
Best number 8 in the country! That's absolute gold! Are you here all week? How do i get tickets!?
Did you watch any Super Rugby or NPC outside of Canterbury last year? It appears not.
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@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
What a crock of shit, he hasn't started a test despite being far and away the best number 8 in the country last year, as I mentioned earlier Evans was selected last year and he's as loose as fudge for an 8.
Reminds me a bit of Mains not thinking Zinny was up to it, but luckily back then, he basically had Fitzy force his hand to pick him.
Best number 8 in the country! That's absolute gold! Are you here all week? How do i get tickets!?
Did you watch any Super Rugby or NPC outside of Canterbury last year? It appears not.
Still funny as fuck.
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@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
What a crock of shit, he hasn't started a test despite being far and away the best number 8 in the country last year, as I mentioned earlier Evans was selected last year and he's as loose as fudge for an 8.
Reminds me a bit of Mains not thinking Zinny was up to it, but luckily back then, he basically had Fitzy force his hand to pick him.
Best number 8 in the country! That's absolute gold! Are you here all week? How do i get tickets!?
Did you watch any Super Rugby or NPC outside of Canterbury last year? It appears not.
Still funny as fuck.
As is your fluffing of Whetu Douglas, a player no team, including the Crusaders wanted at Super rugby level until injuries started to bite.
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@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
What a crock of shit, he hasn't started a test despite being far and away the best number 8 in the country last year, as I mentioned earlier Evans was selected last year and he's as loose as fudge for an 8.
Reminds me a bit of Mains not thinking Zinny was up to it, but luckily back then, he basically had Fitzy force his hand to pick him.
Best number 8 in the country! That's absolute gold! Are you here all week? How do i get tickets!?
Did you watch any Super Rugby or NPC outside of Canterbury last year? It appears not.
By the latter half of the season, he was very average. Probably because he once again played every minute
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@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
What a crock of shit, he hasn't started a test despite being far and away the best number 8 in the country last year, as I mentioned earlier Evans was selected last year and he's as loose as fudge for an 8.
Reminds me a bit of Mains not thinking Zinny was up to it, but luckily back then, he basically had Fitzy force his hand to pick him.
Best number 8 in the country! That's absolute gold! Are you here all week? How do i get tickets!?
Did you watch any Super Rugby or NPC outside of Canterbury last year? It appears not.
By the latter half of the season, he was very average. Probably because he once again played every minute
This year definitely, not 2018.
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@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark not starting cane? Have you learned nothing this last week or so?
In pure terms, Savea is our best openside flanker. It's bloody simple. He'll overtake Cane soon enough, so long as he's not required at 6 or 8.
