All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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The Herald article is spot on about Foster's team. Foster: Head Coach, Plumtree: Forwards. Schmidt: Backs. McLeod: Defence.
If Razor's Assistants are that weak then he has no chance. A better team for Robertson would be. Robertson:Head Coach, Gibbes: Forwards, O'Gara: Backs. Deans: Defence/ Counter attack
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@Cantab79 damned if they do, damned if they dont.
If they started the process before the RWC people would be bitching about it distracting the players and being the reason we lost.
Now as we lost 2 top candidates people moaning the process was wrong.
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Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
Coached at a high level.
Like a few other coaches I could refer to.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack Bloody right. Sat there and got fat and comfortable by all accounts.
Bloody minus fart-all zero of a game plan in RWC and for heavyweight teams when it counted over the past couple of years too. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
I'm not a supporter of Foster, but 8 years as assistant coach to one of the most successful eras in one of th emost successful AB sides of all time.
Hansen clearly rates him.
Wayne Smith (godlike reputation that we have) worked with him for 4+ years, and appears to rate him. Has been in media saying he's changed, don't judge him on the Chiefs. Wayne-O is the preferred assistant of everyone on the board, but we're not listening to what he has to say about somoene he knows well and worked with for 4 years.
So Foster has (on paper) a really strong CV for what works at the top level, and the support of very influential and good coaches. If he wasn't excellent - why the hell would Hansen and Smith hold on to him for so long?
Finally, I was not coninced about Hansen when he was appointed. His apparent attitude and demeanour and coaching capability in 11 didn't fill me with joy; not much inWales, not much with the Saders. Got that one wrong happily... he's been a revelation in the job. Hope to christ the same thing would happen if it's Fossie.... it just feels so wrong.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
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This article made some relevant points, in particular the comments from the anonymous coach.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If he had the rumoured team, I'd be happy. But it really needs a two year break clause, in case of emergency (shit performances)
I think it needs to be an initial 2 yr contract regardless of who gets the job.
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@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If he had the rumoured team, I'd be happy. But it really needs a two year break clause, in case of emergency (shit performances)
I think it needs to be an initial 2 yr contract regardless of who gets the job.
I agree
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman around the time the first AB test...not a stretch to see him given that extra time if he is keen.
Agreed. If Schmidt backed one or t'other I'd say NZRU would be very accommodating.
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@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
So Schmidt has it locked in then
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@Nevorian said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
So Schmidt has it locked in then
Early season sabbatical then into the black?
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@nzzp Relevant argument there. However, all we have is his previous record and the ABs over the last 2 years when he apparently had a bit of an influence. I get the feeling his influence was strong in the last RWC. As I have written previously, the flaws in the ABs in the last few years seem to parallel the problems the Chiefs had. How can you not be concerned?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp Relevant argument there. However, all we have is his previous record and the ABs over the last 2 years when he apparently had a bit of an influence. I get the feeling his influence was strong in the last RWC. As I have written previously, the flaws in the ABs in the last few years seem to parallel the problems the Chiefs had. How can you not be concerned?
I'm not at all sure I'd choose him, I'm not a fan. The point I'm making is that at least two very very good coaches (Hansen and Smith) clearly rate him as a coach. that, combined with his time with the ABs mean that he'll be in the conversation; rightly or wrongly.
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@nzzp as much as I rate Robertson, I think his problem would appear to be the team he is supposedly building (or has access to) initially he was looking to build his team with Brown, but that option is gone, making the team Fozzie seems to be assembling preferrable.
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