Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..
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@antipodean said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I miss living in Brisbane. I didn't buy meat for a decade.
Context: Wasn't vegan, just took the esky to the farm and raided one of the meat freezers.
TBF, that context doesn't add much context.
@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Crucial all about what you choose, less processed crap, going for the better quality stuff as opposed to the average stuff you get at supermarkets, plus all the processed crap they sell.
I was astounded at the poor quality of the meat available in NZ supermarkets last time I was back. It just looked shit. Especially the chicken. I would go to the butcher as well.
I don't want to be contrarian but I always look forward to the red meat when I'm back in NZ. I find a lot (but not all) of the stuff in Sydney to be pretty bland tastewise even at the nicer restaurants (outside of stuff like prawns and pork belly in chinatown etc).
I always make sure I go out for steak back home, get some decent lamb dishes etc, but in fairness I'm usually eating out or going to my old local butchers back in Shield Snorters.
I also don't really notice the price when back in NZ as I'm on holiday mode which probably influences my thinking.
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@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
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@Nepia said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
Mostly grain-fed toward the end of their lives after being raised on pasture. This is basically to finish them off at the right time to keep a constant supply going rather than rely on seasonal growth.
The good 'pasture' stuff is often from the Cooper Creek drainage basin (SW QLD) after the rains have been as the spinifex grass pops up and goes to seed quickly providing really rich oils and the cattle put on crazy size.
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@Nepia A lot of their export beef is finished on grain. I have been told that there is more of a reliance on hay rather than grass in the paddock by an NZ farmer, but I have no idea of the veracity of that claim.
The Australian Beef Compendium might be a good place to start your investigation:
While cattle are designed to eat grass - a good system, turning that which humans canβt eat into food β circumstances can sometimes dictate that a farmer chooses to either finish cattle on a feedlot β usually for a minimum of 100 days before processing, supplement pasture with feed bins in the paddock β or assign them to a feedlot for their lifetime.
Cattle fed according the last of these regimes are known as grainfed. Other additions of grain β either as supplements for 100 days or via feed bins in the paddock β are known as grain-assisted.
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@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Crucial check out Felicity Kendall here
I'll take that as a compliment. She had a nice bum.
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@Crucial said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
Mostly grain-fed toward the end of their lives after being raised on pasture. This is basically to finish them off at the right time to keep a constant supply going rather than rely on seasonal growth.
The good 'pasture' stuff is often from the Cooper Creek drainage basin (SW QLD) after the rains have been as the spinifex grass pops up and goes to seed quickly providing really rich oils and the cattle put on crazy size.
In terms of fat content and slow BBQ, US pitmasters love grain fed beef because the marbling scores are higher. There are premium providers in NZ who are finishing their animals off with grain before slaughter, like Wakanui and Ocean
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@canefan I personally find grain fed or finished steak rather bland. There are high-end NZ exporters doing all grain fed Wagyu/Angus cross beef. Grass fed flavour with Grain fed marbling levels. I'll have to try it soon.
Firstlight Beef is one of them:
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Surely that's only 2 degrees of separation to get to meat, all been covered off too.
Veganism- vegetarian - omnivore- carnivore
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@MajorRage I submit another piece of evidence against going Vegan
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I've been vegetarian since I was 14, mostly because I don't like meat. Seems pretty clear that enforced vegetarianism isn't required because there is some land that is no use for crops, but is fine for grass and sheep e.g. hills. At the same time, it's also clear that there is land that would be better for crops than animals, and that by and large more veges and less meat would be better than the status quo. Whether that is best met by everyone eating less meat, or more people becoming vegetarian and reducing total societal meat intake that way, is hard to say, although the latter is probably easier to sell because it's voluntary.
Not a big fan of fake meat generally (I prefer just using cheese or eggs), but my wife sometimes uses it so she can make a vegetarian version of a meat-based meal e.g. lasagna. I find it pretty meh since it has been 25 years since I dropped meat from my diet, but it serves its purpose. At some point, it will be significantly cheaper than meat, and meat will very quickly stop being produced in current quantities. That's probably 5-10 years away, but it's coming.