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This feels a bit like deja vu.... The Dems are making pretty much the same mistakes Labour made in the UK.
They are so absolutely consumed with woke lefty libertarian issues that they have lost touch with Main Street.Before this debate, I had held the view that Bloomberg could maybe be their best shot, but he was absolutely shredded and no way he gets the Dem nomination.
Didn't expect this would happen at the time of his election, but Trump is going to cruise to a second term.
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@Billy-Webb said in US Politics:
This feels a bit like deja vu.... The Dems are making pretty much the same mistakes Labour made in the UK.
They are so absolutely consumed with woke lefty libertarian issues that they have lost touch with Main Street.100% disagree on that comparison. UK Labour had no coherent strategy when it came to the electoral arithmetic of wining a majority (both on Brexit and the raft of socialist policies). They also did a terrible job of making the case for reform based on issues that were actually resonating in the community.
Bernie on the other hand has a pretty clear strategy which is to win back the disaffected lower-middle class voters in swing states who voted Trump in 2016. And he keeps tying it back to two big issues being health care and income/opportunity inequality - which are real issues in the mid-west and north-east and not just an ideological pursuit in the case of Corbyn.
We can argue about the effectiveness of that strategy or how realistic his plan is or how the socialist label will spook people - but Bernie clear has a clue where Corbyn didn't.
Ultimately the success or failure of this strategy will most likely hinge on if those in the rust belt who voted Trump in 2016 feel better about their life 4 years on and if they are bullish about the future. That is 90% the economy and a lot can happen in six months.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
What I don't remember, 4 years ago, were any predictions that the opposition would completely lose their minds. That, for 4 years now, there hasn't been a coherent plan to win in 2020 through policies and vote winning has been absolutely staggering.
That happens though, the republicans went nuts under Clinton, the Dems under Reagan.
More shocking (and what has contributed to the chaos in the DNC) is how tightly the Republicans have held together. It was one thing for senior republicans to hold their nose and support Trump for the general election once he got the nomination, but once Hillary was dealt with and they sat in power I expected there to be some destabilisation especially after the mid term loss. The second SC nomination was red meat to the base that went a long way to quelling that and couldn't have been predicted.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Trump being president was preposterous enough, but the efforts in opposition have to be seen to be believed!
I wonder if this might be a product of the system, and the separation between the presidential race and the day-to-day happenings in Washington.
The Dems are are shambles, no doubt, and the leadership of Pelosi and others has been horrible. But I think with the system as it is it would be really hard not to be.
In the UK, Aus, NZ, the opposition can build momentum in opposition, develop a policy platform, establish a public profile etc. By the time you are a year away from the election, you are hopefully a united front with a clear direction.
But under the US system, we're about 8 months out and it's still a shit show. Candidates across the spectrum flinging mud at each other while Trump gets around on Air Force One giving speeches to clamouring fans. It's like this every time, even when a so-called 'dream candidate' like Obama comes along.
The system is set up to favour the incumbent more than any other. It's why only two elected incumbents have lost in the last 70 years.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
Trump being president was preposterous enough, but the efforts in opposition have to be seen to be believed!
I wonder if this might be a product of the system, and the separation between the presidential race and the day-to-day happenings in Washington.
The Dems are are shambles, no doubt, and the leadership of Pelosi and others has been horrible. But I think with the system as it is it would be really hard not to be.
In the UK, Aus, NZ, the opposition can build momentum in opposition, develop a policy platform, establish a public profile etc. By the time you are a year away from the election, you are hopefully a united front with a clear direction.
But under the US system, we're about 8 months out and it's still a shit show. Candidates across the spectrum flinging mud at each other while Trump gets around on Air Force One giving speeches to clamouring fans. It's like this every time, even when a so-called 'dream candidate' like Obama comes along.
The system is set up to favour the incumbent more than any other. It's why only two elected incumbents have lost in the last 70 years.
There are elements of truth in what you are saying, but is also giving the democrats a cop out that they dont deserve. They have horrendous policies, hopeless candidates and that is leading to disaster despite almost total control of the media and the deep state.
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I just hope that one more left wing election collapse will be enough for political parties to realise that maybe the extremists in the twitter-sphere aren't actually representative of normal people. As much as I like what Trump has managed to accomplish there really needs to be a sane alternative...for everyone's sake.
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Look at the collapse of Biden's support in the polling:
This Democratic primary is doing more harm to the eventual nominee than Trump.
The man who had the support in the battleground States must be wondering wtf is going wrong. The ideological battle would be Sanders vs Trump and Americans still don't like the concept of socialism. Bloomberg is just far too unnatural a public speaker. Trump would unsettle him and once off-script, Bloomberg would look like a mannequin.
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During the campaign, the websites of Hill’s opponents, Democrats Jess Phoenix and Bryan Caforio, who was supported by Justice Democrats, were both attacked, though Hill’s never was, raising suspicions at the time that Hill’s campaign was behind them. One major attack on Caforio’s campaign website came at a crucial moment, just an hour before the biggest debate of the primary, the complaint notes. Hill eventually won the California primary by fewer than 3,000 votes.
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@Tim said in US Politics:
During the campaign, the websites of Hill’s opponents, Democrats Jess Phoenix and Bryan Caforio, who was supported by Justice Democrats, were both attacked, though Hill’s never was, raising suspicions at the time that Hill’s campaign was behind them. One major attack on Caforio’s campaign website came at a crucial moment, just an hour before the biggest debate of the primary, the complaint notes. Hill eventually won the California primary by fewer than 3,000 votes.
She's the one with a penchant for threesomes and an iron cross tattoo by her minge right? Here's hoping Cenk wins her old seat.
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@Rembrandt
Rembrandt about 4 hours ago@Tim Its starting to be more sad than funny
It started being amusing and astonishing back before the magic negro got the guernsey, when Mzz Bill Clinton was running.
In the absence of the vital John Kennedy-like war record she claimed she and the brat had to duck for cover, landing under fire in Afghanistan or Sarajevo or somewhere dangerous. That had legs until people dug up the press coverage showing her strolling across the tarmac, welcome flowers in hand, grinning that ugly bad breath grin, with a simpering welcome committee of diplomats, not soldiers.
At about the same time the sycophant US media scurried about to invent the term "mis-spoke", which is Clintonese for "obvious lie, accidentally revealed", to cover her natural talent for deceit and it sure was well used during the next eight years.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD
About this business of Hillary coming under intense sniping, I have some sympathy. The Clintons got away with this sort of thing for so long that you can't blame them for wondering how they missed the memo advising that henceforth the old rules no longer apply. Bill, being warier, was usually canny enough to set his fantasies just far enough back in time that live cable footage was unlikely to be available — his vivid memories of entirely mythical black church burnings in his childhood, etc. But Hillary liked to live a little more dangerously. The defining fiction arose back in the mid-Nineties when she visited New Zealand and met Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Everest, and for some reason decided to tell him he was the guy her parents had named her after.Hmm. Edmund Hillary reached the top of Everest in 1953. Hillary Rodham was born in 1947, when Sir Edmund was an obscure New Zealand beekeeper and a somewhat unlikely inspiration for two young parents in the Chicago suburbs. If any of the bigshot U.S. newspaper correspondents on the trip noticed this inconsistency, they kept it to themselves. I mentioned it in Britain's Sunday Telegraph at the time, but like so many other improbabilities in the Clinton record it sailed on indestructibly for years. By 2004 it was preserved for the ages in Bill Clinton's autobiography, on page (gulp) 870: "Sir Edmund Hillary, who had explored the South Pole in the 1950s, was the first man to reach the top of Mount Everest and, most important, was the man Chelsea's mother had been named for."
Eventually, when it was noticed that Hillary was born six years before the ascent of Everest, Clinton aides tried assuring skeptics that her parents had seen a press interview with Sir Edmund in his beekeeping days, Mr. and Mrs. Rodham apparently being the only Illinois subscribers to The New Zealand Apiarist. Then, in the early days of her presidential campaign, Senator Clinton quietly withdrew the story, by which time the damage was done. Edmund Hillary passed away a couple of months back, and, as I recall, the New York Times headline read:
New Zealander For Whom Senator Clinton Named Dies
Also First Man To Climb Everest. Senator Clinton Was At The Summit To Greet Him, After Landing Under Heavy Sniper Fire From The Abominable Snowman -
"There's something weird about the need to tell quite so many unnecessary fictions." says Steyn but, as you observed, "The Clintons got away with this sort of thing for so long ..."
The ease with which the modern political parasite gets away with their deceit without sanction puzzles me Jegga. The voters have become so apathetic and so disinterested that their silent acceptance is regarded as applause.
The fact that the FBI top man and his upper echelon are not doing time now is astonishing - same with the Department of Justice. The corrupt Clinton Crime Syndicate has been granted a free pass to keep up the pace; and revelations about Creepy Joe Biden's unbelievable corruption have hardly generated a headline.
I need a drink!
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD I didn’t write that, Mark Steyn did . The other pieces he’s written are worth checking out .
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