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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
As I said, they largely come from the same cohort so it would more likely be a really bad flu season
Did you get a flu shot this year?
No, I'm not in the risk category.
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
LOL Are we going to touch on the obvious notion of foregoing future benefits, spending money on interest payments instead of public services..?
LOL are you paying attention to a Liberal government that has been eroding public services as a matter of course for most of the last decade? Get back to me when privatising electricity was supposed to increase competition and lower my bills
How have they eroded them when they've been the recipients of record funding?
This is NOT a political system that thinks any further ahead than the next election. I don't think opportunity cost is high on their list of shit to do.
Because as an electorate we don't force them too.
Christ, why not $800 billion?
Now you're just being silly.
mmm
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also we had another reduction of new NSW cases, with 114 recorded yesterday.
Fairly good couple of days nationally, being single digit percentage growth. Longer term chart heading negative on trend for case growth percentage, and the general curve is starting to nose over.
We might have half a rugby season after all!
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Because as an electorate we don't force them too.
I'm interested to hear how that can be achieved, having ranted about it earlier. The candidates we're given are chosen from a party system that doesn't seem to always reward excellence, so the choices we're given from the majors are suitably mediocre.
Do we need to vote Green or Independent to make a change? Not sure One Nation has much to offer but more grift.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Because as an electorate we don't force them too.
I'm interested to hear how that can be achieved, having ranted about it earlier. The candidates we're given are chosen from a party system that doesn't seem to always reward excellence, so the choices we're given from the majors are suitably mediocre.
Do we need to vote Green or Independent to make a change? Not sure One Nation has much to offer but more grift.
Our systems are such that political parties spend a large chunk of each electoral cycle working on how to assume power or to keep it. Add in NZs MMP system that means any major decisions such as the big decisions made by the Lange government are difficult to implement and political suicide
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I'm a lefty and unionist, but like democracy, capitalism works better than any other system we've tried. My interest is in making capitalism and the economy for people in it, not the other way around. Well-regulated capitalism is a powerful tool for raising living standards. Poorly-regulated or unregulated capitalism will probably do still do that, but not nearly as well.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Well-regulated capitalism is a powerful tool for raising living standards. Poorly-regulated or unregulated capitalism will probably do still do that, but not nearly as well.
Rising tide lifts all boats, definitely. Still got to have a social safety net tho, and a well-run market economy should be able to provide that through the necessary taxation and regulation. Privatisation is no guarantee of efficiency or high achievement.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Well-regulated capitalism is a powerful tool for raising living standards. Poorly-regulated or unregulated capitalism will probably do still do that, but not nearly as well.
Rising tide lifts all boats, definitely. Still got to have a social safety net tho, and a well-run market economy should be able to provide that through the necessary taxation and regulation. Privatisation is no guarantee of efficiency or high achievement.
And good jobs need a good employer, so it's a partnership, not a fight.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I'm a lefty and unionist, but like democracy, capitalism works better than any other system we've tried. My interest is in making capitalism and the economy for people in it, not the other way around. Well-regulated capitalism is a powerful tool for raising living standards. Poorly-regulated or unregulated capitalism will probably do still do that, but not nearly as well.
I'm not convinced governments are as good at profitable capitalism as the private sector. They are best to keep out of the way, minimise red tape but try to keep companies acting responsibly, and allow things to grow with some regulation, and competently and efficiently take their tax cut of the growing pie and spend it wisely
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Generations of Australians will be burdened with this. What business that has already closed its doors is going to take back on an employee without customers? Despite the increase in newstart allowance, it's still not enough to cover anyone who earned the median wage in Australia. So now you can't evict a renter for six months for non-payment. So are the banks going to take the hit? Which means super funds, which means some of them are going to need to become more liquid to meet obligations to retirees. Which devalues assets...
And the government seems to think that there'll be a rebound, oblivious to the fact that in a services economy there's no V shape rebound. People don't consume services that they missed out on. There'll be no one getting their lawn mowed 10 times in the first week or drinking 1000 cups of coffee because they would otherwise have consumed those services. A lot of those companies operate on thin margins and Australians are generally heavily indebted.
So if the government wants to absorb those costs, it simply means succeeding generations will pay. An increasingly heavy price.
Not agreeing or disagreeing - but what's the alternative?
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just left the house for the first time since Friday. It's very quiet out there. There was one other person in the office. People seem to be, where they can, doing as asked. I'm kinda impressed.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
just left the house for the first time since Friday. It's very quiet out there. There was one other person in the office. People seem to be, where they can, doing as asked. I'm kinda impressed.
From what I've glimpsed here, practically everyone is doing a great job. You'd just never know it from the curtain twitchers on Facebook breathlessly posting the cars per hour...
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also we had another reduction of new NSW cases, with 114 recorded yesterday.
Fairly good couple of days nationally, being single digit percentage growth. Longer term chart heading negative on trend for case growth percentage, and the general curve is starting to nose over.
We might have half a rugby season after all!
Once cases start to drop and restrictions are eased, won't cases just start rising again?
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Australia:
You'd just never know it from the curtain twitchers on Facebook breathlessly posting the cars per hour...
yeah we had someone post on our FB Community page yesterday, starte doff with "I dont know how many people live on Pipiwai Road, but there was x amount of cars on it yesterday..."
well, my road is only 53km long, and she lives about 6km from the town end of it, so I expect quite a few live out that way will travel past for work/shopping...
for the most part, I think the vast majority are doing thier bit.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also we had another reduction of new NSW cases, with 114 recorded yesterday.
Fairly good couple of days nationally, being single digit percentage growth. Longer term chart heading negative on trend for case growth percentage, and the general curve is starting to nose over.
We might have half a rugby season after all!
Once cases start to drop and restrictions are eased, won't cases just start rising again?
I don't get how this ever ends.I'm guessing/hoping;
- herd immunity/exposure slowly via the curve flattening efforts
- Antibody tests
- Eventual rapid/instant Covid-19 tests widely available before people get on a plane etc
- eventual vaccine
Otherwise toast in the interim.
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also we had another reduction of new NSW cases, with 114 recorded yesterday.
Fairly good couple of days nationally, being single digit percentage growth. Longer term chart heading negative on trend for case growth percentage, and the general curve is starting to nose over.
We might have half a rugby season after all!
Once cases start to drop and restrictions are eased, won't cases just start rising again?
I don't get how this ever ends.I'm guessing/hoping;
- herd immunity/exposure slowly via the curve flattening efforts
- Antibody tests
- Eventual rapid/instant Covid-19 tests widely available before people get on a plane etc
- eventual vaccine
Otherwise toast in the interim.
I agree. We are all fighting a rearguard action right now. Just trying to save as many as possible to win the war later
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Because as an electorate we don't force them too.
I'm interested to hear how that can be achieved, having ranted about it earlier. The candidates we're given are chosen from a party system that doesn't seem to always reward excellence, so the choices we're given from the majors are suitably mediocre.
Do we need to vote Green or Independent to make a change? Not sure One Nation has much to offer but more grift.
Independent. One cycle to get rid of the professional party apparatchik. The policy stasis alone would be of benefit to Australians.
Greens can't be permitted to govern unless you want the current economic status to be the norm.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Because as an electorate we don't force them too.
I'm interested to hear how that can be achieved, having ranted about it earlier. The candidates we're given are chosen from a party system that doesn't seem to always reward excellence, so the choices we're given from the majors are suitably mediocre.
Do we need to vote Green or Independent to make a change? Not sure One Nation has much to offer but more grift.
Independent. One cycle to get rid of the professional party apparatchik. The policy stasis alone would be of benefit to Australians.
Greens can't be permitted to govern unless you want the current economic status to be the norm.
that depends on the standard of the independent. We've had a few fucking nutters over the last couple of parliaments.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Once cases start to drop and restrictions are eased, won't cases just start rising again?
I don't get how this ever ends.I guess that's what they're trying to figure out. It'll probably follow a cycle for a while (months?) until some kind of vaccine can get through trials and into the market.
Typically that sort of thing can take 18 months for clinical trials. Wouldn't be surprised to see that period truncated as they test certain cohorts with a low possibility of adverse reaction.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Once cases start to drop and restrictions are eased, won't cases just start rising again?
I don't get how this ever ends.Perhaps calculated risks should be taken and try to get the vaccine on to the market earlier.
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