Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?
if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.
We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.
It's all about priorities. But if you borrow across several credit cards to fund all that, I'm not on board
that's different though, that's going well beyond your means, rather than just spending what you earn
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?
if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.
We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.
It's all about priorities. But if you borrow across several credit cards to fund all that, I'm not on board
that's different though, that's going well beyond your means, rather than just spending what you earn
So basically I think we are on the same page? π€π
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I guess the other issue with Corona is whilst the overall death rate is likely to be lower than first thought, it is still fucken deadly to the old who already have health issues.
They released the figures for that nursing home in the US, 130 odd residents, 101 got infected, 34 died. Those who died did have a range of issues with hypertension being the top of the list.
The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?
Main causes of Hypertension
Smoking.
Being overweight or obese.
Lack of physical activity.
Too much salt in the diet.
Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
Stress.Listening to Dr Drew Pinsky he said that under normal conditions it's not advisable, or standard procedure (or done) to put sick 80+ year olds on ventilation equipment as there's little chance of full recovery and the equipment is prioritized elsewhere. Palliative care instead.
Not now though, an interesting insight into ventilator resource management
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?
Main causes of Hypertension
Smoking. CHECK
Being overweight or obese. COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE 1.7m/55Kg
Lack of physical activity. CHECK
Too much salt in the diet. CHECK
Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day) TRY BOTTLES
Stress. CHECK - PTSDI'm completely fucked
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I guess the other issue with Corona is whilst the overall death rate is likely to be lower than first thought, it is still fucken deadly to the old who already have health issues.
They released the figures for that nursing home in the US, 130 odd residents, 101 got infected, 34 died. Those who died did have a range of issues with hypertension being the top of the list.
The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?
Main causes of Hypertension
Smoking.
Being overweight or obese.
Lack of physical activity.
Too much salt in the diet.
Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
Stress.Listening to Dr Drew Pinsky he said that under normal conditions it's not advisable, or standard procedure (or done) to put sick 80+ year olds on ventilation equipment as there's little chance of full recovery and the equipment is prioritized elsewhere. Palliative care instead.
Not now though, an interesting insight into ventilator resource management
Itβs not just the low chances of full recovery, by all accounts being on a ventilator is quite traumatising, having air forced into the lungs is a very unpleasant experience, especially so for the already frail. Additional problems with breathing muscles atrophying making recovery a drawn out procedure too. Not to be recommended.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.
Everybody in my family has it (had it).
BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.
Everybody in my family has it (had it).
BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.
it's spelt with a T
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.
Everybody in my family has it (had it).
BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.
Matthew Pinsent. Olympic multiple Gold Medal winning oarsman, in his prime was clinically obese by BMI standards.
He and I have much in common.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Dr Campbell explains some good news coming from Imperial College.
Basically the preventions are working. It is likely actual cases are grossly under-reported. Italy is likely to have had well over a million infections, maybe in the millions. They currently show a death rate around 13% but this is likely 1% or lower given the number of actual infected.
Probably why countries like Australia, NZ have such low death numbers is the virus did not actually take hold and spread before measures were put in place. So our number of cases reported are much closer to actual cases. Whereas Europe, the US are probably 10x higher or more.
Highly likely then in the short term our health systems are unlikely to become overburdened. The issue now is how do they open up the economy whilst controlling any left over cases.
1% of 1 million is still shit loads
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Dr Campbell explains some good news coming from Imperial College.
Basically the preventions are working. It is likely actual cases are grossly under-reported. Italy is likely to have had well over a million infections, maybe in the millions. They currently show a death rate around 13% but this is likely 1% or lower given the number of actual infected.
Probably why countries like Australia, NZ have such low death numbers is the virus did not actually take hold and spread before measures were put in place. So our number of cases reported are much closer to actual cases. Whereas Europe, the US are probably 10x higher or more.
Highly likely then in the short term our health systems are unlikely to become overburdened. The issue now is how do they open up the economy whilst controlling any left over cases.
1% of 1 million is still shit loads
10,000. Compared with an average of 22000 flu or flu type illness related deaths per year on average for the last 3 years in Italy
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Saving habits don't appear to have improved in the wake of the GFC and I'm sure that in the coming years people will quickly forget again
Gummints don't want people to save.
They want them to spend all they get to keep the economy growing to raise the tax revenue to pay the interest on the money the Gummint borrowed to grow the size of itself.
I think.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For right or wrong I was taught not to spend what I didn't have
Best life-lesson Mrs & Mrs Meldrew Snr ever taught me.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For right or wrong I was taught not to spend what I didn't have
Best life-lesson Mrs & Mrs Meldrew Snr ever taught me.
Mrs & Mrs? Your house was very progressive.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.
Everybody in my family has it (had it).
BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.
Matthew Pinsent. Olympic multiple Gold Medal winning oarsman, in his prime was clinically obese by BMI standards.
He and I have much in common.
Both post-prime?
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.
Everybody in my family has it (had it).
BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.
Matthew Pinsent. Olympic multiple Gold Medal winning oarsman, in his prime was clinically obese by BMI standards.
He and I have much in common.
Both post-prime?
If I could still actually look over my shoulder these days all I would see is the large hill that I am completely over.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.
Everybody in my family has it (had it).
BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.
Matthew Pinsent. Olympic multiple Gold Medal winning oarsman, in his prime was clinically obese by BMI standards.
He and I have much in common.
Both post-prime?
If I could still actually look over my shoulder these days all I would see is the large hill that I am completely over.
You and me both with that manoeuvre
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For right or wrong I was taught not to spend what I didn't have
Best life-lesson Mrs & Mrs Meldrew Snr ever taught me.
Mrs & Mrs? Your house was very progressive.
Yeah. Come to think of it, my wife and mother both held the same views on money.....
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?
if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.
We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.
It's all about priorities. But if you borrow across several credit cards to fund all that, I'm not on board
that's different though, that's going well beyond your means, rather than just spending what you earn
So basically I think we are on the same page? π€π
Things would be a lot better if things went back to the days when a mortgage had to be paid down/off by retirement. Borrowing increasing each year is a recipe for ultimate unhappiness.