Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan TBF, despite being MOH, he has been rarely seen anyway, Bloomfield has taken the lead, confidently.
Makes sense. He may be the Health Minister, but on these matters he isn't the smartest person in the room
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Makes sense. He may be the Health Minister, but on these matters he isn't the smartest person in the room
clearly...been a great having Bloomfield as the face and voice to lead this though
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper
Yep, or there are no regulatory charges (national park fees etc), or rents are cheap, or the insurance requirements are minimal, there are a heap of reasons. For the vast majority of operations i have seen or spoken too, they try to offer the best product they can, for the lowest price they can. Because there are just too many options out there.
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@taniwharugby The media were asking on a previous briefing why he was no longer turning up to the off camera briefings. Were they would get the follow up details.
Just because he screwed up (not that majorly IMO), doesn't mean he can avoid doing his job.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Makes sense. He may be the Health Minister, but on these matters he isn't the smartest person in the room
clearly...been a great having Bloomfield as the face and voice to lead this though
It's a massive step down whenever he's not doing it.
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It is a disgrace that they are sneaking through legislation now completely unrelated to the wuflu issue, it is cyncial politics of the very worst kind and rather than bleating on about Clarke, they should be going after Cindy over it.
The country is on a lockdown, we get lectured about no essential stuff not to be done, yet them rushing an agenda to give prisoners the vote is essential. Bullshit. -
@Kirwan he should front the media, on his own for thier continually petty line of questoning, leave the big kid stuff for these briefings.
Or they could find out there is other stuff going on that is more important than him being a knob!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
Apologies if I wasn't clear.
I don't think I said there was a 'premium' on top. I'm not accusing anyone of fleecing for profit or overcharging.
What I was saying is that there are plenty of tourism businesses that are setup based on what overseas tourists will pay and that may not be the same as what domestic tourists are willing to. If they want to ride things out based on the domestic market they might need to re-think their offerings.Take something like those open top buses that take tourists around attractions in London. I don't know anyone that lives there that would pay £25-30 for that but and many of the buses are way under capacity. A reduced service at a reduced cost promoted as 'see your city the way the tourists do' could well attract some family groups and out of owners.
That may not be a great example but was an attempt to explain where I am coming from.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan he should front the media, on his own for thier continually petty line of questoning, leave the big kid stuff for these briefings.
Or they could find out there is other stuff going on that is more important than him being a knob!
Thats what they wanted. But since he is being hidden from them, they have to ask the PM. Buck stops with her right?
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
That reduction down from the 80-odd cases we were getting a few days seems pretty promising to me - about what I was hoping for anyway.
Lets hope it stays at a similar level or even continues to decrease for the next few days.
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@Kirwan it does, but not sure what is achieved by throwing him to the wolves or her protecting him...maybe shoulda had him front with her, for 10 mins, and then say that issue is dealt with
I'm willing to cut them some slack and just move on given the unprecedented circumstances we are in, just hope our media can too.
I am sure you are aware being in Auckland, water restrictions are still probably active, similarly most of the top of the North Island are still in drought conditions, I saw mention of that once since the lockdown, so for some, the threat to thier livelihood has been going on since late December when the drought started to bite...I appreciate this is unprecedented, but there is other news to report on and will actually give people a bit more to digest other than the constant overload of CV data and news.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
from my experience booze is cheaper in NZ. So it's not all bad
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
from my experience booze is cheaper in NZ. So it's not all bad
I notice that when I go to Oz. We can buy Aussie wine cheaper at home
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with the milk products, lamb, wine etc that we export, we are paying premium price for stuff, and as mentioend in another thread elsewhere, our best stuff is usually exported anyway.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
Apologies if I wasn't clear.
I don't think I said there was a 'premium' on top. I'm not accusing anyone of fleecing for profit or overcharging.
What I was saying is that there are plenty of tourism businesses that are setup based on what overseas tourists will pay and that may not be the same as what domestic tourists are willing to. If they want to ride things out based on the domestic market they might need to re-think their offerings.Take something like those open top buses that take tourists around attractions in London. I don't know anyone that lives there that would pay £25-30 for that but and many of the buses are way under capacity. A reduced service at a reduced cost promoted as 'see your city the way the tourists do' could well attract some family groups and out of owners.
That may not be a great example but was an attempt to explain where I am coming from.
i think there needs to be a separation between domestic tourists, and local tourists. Domestic tourists will do things are normal prices because they are on holiday, and that's what you do. They may not doing everything in one trip like someone from overseas would do, but they will be like every other tourist generally.
Local tourists live in the area, and hate paying for things in their own back yard. The greatest challenge is to get them to buy in to your product, and it's why so much time and money goes in to local discounts, and local "membership" schemes. If they come regularly, they will also bring their visitors with them. They are way more price driven than any other market.