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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
With testing, doesn't htat drop to 2-4 days, rather than 2 weeks?
Everything I've seen is two weeks quarantine.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
With testing, doesn't htat drop to 2-4 days, rather than 2 weeks? That's difficult, but not impossible
I'm guessing only if the test is negative (is that the good one)?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
Those 2 words are synonyms, I even went to the dictionary to check.
Your post sounds like govt PR spin. Swap elimination with eradication in your sentence and vice versa and nothing changes.In epidemiology, eliminate means to have no cases in a region, and eradicate means to have no cases anywhere in the world.
An example of a disease which NZ has eliminated is rabies - can't get it here other than from overseas sources, but obviously it's still around in other parts of the world.
Smallpox is the only disease to be eradicated under the epidemiological definition.
No spin, just science.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
Probably not many, hence all the predictions about the demise of international tourism as a significant part of the NZ economy. Get reliable quick result testing or a vaccine, and that will probably change.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
Dunno mate to be honest, but given the aggressive approach it has to be doesn't it? Not seen much written about flatting curves etc which is all the rage over here.
I actually think once it's out, it's out. You can't really stop it, you can only slow it. But NZ numbers are so low, that there is realistically a chance of stopping it. Isn't 18 months the number being thrown around there will be some pretty heavy restrictions in place? If so, I don't think it's a co-incidence that is also a realistic timeframe for a vaccine.
Just to add - 18 months is what I heard from my old man. I only have enough fucks to give about Covid and I use most of them up on local (to me) news. So I'm not even close to fully educated on NZ's response, but it is the poster child over here for many commentators.
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Quite like Trump's move here. Of course, like most thing DT related, there are holes to be picked in many places, and contradictions to his comments if you look hard enough.
But this immediately puts a bit of distrust on the WHO, and Trump is right to highlight this.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12324675
I know it's people's livelihoods and the city has to eat. But this is not a good look. If they can build a hospital in a few days surely they can do something about the conditions in the city market?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
With testing, doesn't htat drop to 2-4 days, rather than 2 weeks?
Everything I've seen is two weeks quarantine.
I think they'd need to test BEFORE people boarded plane. I'd guess it takes more than a few hours for the virus to replicate enough to be identifiable. If so, if anyone on plane tests positive the whole plane might need to be quarantined.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
With testing, doesn't htat drop to 2-4 days, rather than 2 weeks?
Everything I've seen is two weeks quarantine.
I think they'd need to test BEFORE people boarded plane. I'd guess it takes more than a few hours for the virus to replicate enough to be identifiable. If so, if anyone on plane tests positive the whole plane might need to be quarantined.
I think ideally it would be test at both ends of the trip, and maybe a required doctor's test a week before as well. That might be overkill though.
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Hope it doesn't use 5G...
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@Victor-Meldrew pissed myself reading the last para.
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Oh well, had to happen I guess...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Oh well, had to happen I guess...
Spot on
Excellent poem
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@MiketheSnow I don't get it, why is it spot on?
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@Bones said in Coronrus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow I don't get it, why is it spot on?
Let me see...
a) Using the coronavirus crisis to treat and patronise people not born in the UK as being somehow "different" and needing special treatment/promotion.
b) Dog-whistling that native Brits are somehow inferior to immigrants and inherently racist.I mean, as an immigrant myself, what's not to like?
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Sounds like this immigrant isn't included
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Sounds like this immigrant isn't included
Nor Jenny from Invercargill.
Wonder why that could be?
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Oh well, had to happen I guess...
Spot on
Excellent poem
Nothing but admiration for ALL the NHS workers, regardless of backgrounds. But importing workers for key services is no replacement for having the gumption to train sufficient of the local population to provide same. That goes for Poland, Brazil, Ghana, NZ, etc. as much as the UK.
So I suspect I actually disagree strongly with the 'message' -- if it is unlimited UK immigration ought to be encouraged.
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What I take from this, is that NZ should definitely have favoured the economy at the expense of lockdown...
Sweden has passed the grim milestone of 1,000 coronavirus deaths, far exceeding the tolls of its nearest neighbours, but suggested it may be nearing the outbreakâs peak as scientists continue to question the governmentâs light-touch approach.
The Public Health Agency announced a death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 on Wednesday, a rate of 101 per million inhabitants, compared to 51 in Denmark and just 11 in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virusâs spread.
Swedenâs per-million tally is also significantly higher than the 37 recorded in Germany and the comparable US figure of 79 â but remains lower than the UKâs rate of 182 and far below Italyâs 348 and Spainâs 386.
Anders Wallensten, the deputy chief epidemiologist, said the number of new Covid-19 cases was starting to decline and he was âcautiously positiveâ Sweden was approaching the peak. Officials said the health system was coping.
Polling suggests many Swedes continue to support the governmentâs strategy, which has entailed urging citizens to take personal responsibility for following physical distancing guidelines rather than strictly enforcing mandatory rules.
While authorities have closed senior high schools and banned gatherings of more than 50 people, they have asked â rather than ordered â people to avoid non-essential travel, work from home and stay indoors if they are over 70 or are feeling ill.
Statistics show roughly half the Swedish workforce is now working from home, public transport usage has fallen by 50% in Stockholm and the capitalâs streets are about 70% less busy than usual â but Swedes are still able to shop, go to restaurants, get haircuts and send children under 16 to class even if a family member is ill.
The governmentâs refusal to close primary and junior high schools â and authoritiesâ insistence that only children who are themselves ill may stay at home â has caused some families and teachers particular concern, staff and parent groups have said.
Healthy students who have been kept out of school by anxious parents have been threatened with referral to social services, while concerned families and school staff have written open letters describing the governmentâs policy as âunacceptableâ and arguing that it is ârisking the lives of children, relatives and staffâ.
In one letter published last week in Aftonbladet newspaper, more than 900 teachers and school staff said it was impossible for schools and daycare facilities to observe physical distancing recommendations, adding that âin many casesâ children with infected family members had obeyed instructions to attend school, meaning âwe are not able to protect children and educators in at-risk groupsâ.
Anders Tegnell, the countryâs chief epidemiologist, has described the Swedish approach as an attempt to ensure âa slow spread of infection and that the health services are not overwhelmedâ, arguing that it is important for a part of the population to acquire immunity.
Tegnell has denied trying to build rapid âherd immunityâ to the virus, a strategy originally adopted by the UK and the Netherlands before projected soaring death numbers prompted those countries to change course.
Some experts have speculated that Swedenâs approach to managing the spread of the virus may also be influenced by its demographic profile â more than 50% of households are single-person â and relatively low population density of about 25 people per square kilometre, compared, for example, to 205 in Italy.
Although the longer-term impact is obviously unknown, Swedenâs strategy is not expected to preserve the countryâs economy this year any more than those of countries imposing stricter lockdowns: Magdalena Andersson, the finance minister, said on Wednesday GDP could shrink by 10% this year and unemployment rise to 13.5%.
The strategy has also come under fire from some of the countryâs scientists. A group of 22 doctors, virologists and researchers on Tuesday criticised the health agency in an op-ed published by Dagens Nyheter newspaper.
âThe approach must be changed radically and quickly,â the group wrote. âAs the virus spreads, it is necessary to increase social distance. Close schools and restaurants. Everyone who works with the elderly must wear adequate protective equipment. Quarantine the whole family if one member is ill or tests positive. Elected representatives must intervene, there is no other choice.â
Tegnell rejected the criticism and disputed the figures on which it was based. He previously said Sweden and its neighbours were on âdifferent places on the curveâ, and that Sweden had âunfortunately had a large spread of contagion in care homes for the elderly, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countriesâ.
The chief epidemiologist has repeatedly stressed that the world is in uncharted territory with the coronavirus, arguing that while Sweden might have more infections in the short term, it will not face the risk of a huge infection increase that many other countries might face once their strict lockdowns are lifted.
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@Billy-Tell Not sure if this will show the daily deaths graph, which is impressive:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
If not, you need to find the graph, Tidsserie: Avlidna per dag
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