Coronavirus - Overall
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Khan just on BBC brekky...
"I realise there's been some confusion over the 'be alert' message, so..."
"Stay at home, if you can. If you can work from home, work from home but if you really must work and can't stay home, go to work. But don't go to the beach."
Oh wow you really cleaned that message up fella, bet all the Bojo haters are happy now.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam Fact checking by The Washington Post
https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2961629/5ec592befe1ff654c2e25c75/5e6ecba0ae7e8a59485000c3/16/52/b4f917a3d8ff79ab8ddfe7ea6d46162aI know the Post has its own anti-Trump agenda but nevertheless when the editor of The Lancet comes out and says that the "credible report" from The Lancet that Trump says WHO ignored doesn't exist and was never written then it at the very least suggests Trump is a tad confused and not across the subject.
Bear in mind the editor of The Lancet, Richard Horton, was pretty much caught bang to rights lying in the national media when criticising Johnson's government.
If there's one thing this crisis has exposed it's that those whose professional judgement we should have faith in, appear more than happy to let their political leanings cloud their "professional" judgement.
You can expect the media to be sloppy and biased. We expect more from doctors and scientists
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Really interesting article from an Oxford Epidemiologist.
Thinks a lot more people have been infected than will show up on antibody tests and queries if the lock-down cure is/was actually worse than the disease. E.g. keeping vulnerable people isloated in care homes may have made infection rates worse
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@Victor-Meldrew It is an interesting article and quite plausible given the lack of reliable data that we have and in all honesty it chimes with my slightly changing view that we have maybe gone too hard with lockdown. However and referring to your previous post, it is not difficult to ascertain her political leaning.
Edit: Also, if her hypothesis is correct, it would make me fear for NZ given the relative lack of exposure.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is conflating the results of two different types of coronavirus tests, distorting several important metrics and providing the country with an inaccurate picture of the state of the pandemic. We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus. The upshot is that the government’s disease-fighting agency is overstating the country’s ability to test people who are sick with COVID-19. The agency confirmed to The Atlantic on Wednesday that it is mixing the results of viral and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and are used for different reasons.
This is not merely a technical error. States have set quantitative guidelines for reopening their economies based on these flawed data points.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Edit: Also, if her hypothesis is correct, it would make me fear for NZ given the relative lack of exposure.
What's the tourist industry in NZ as a % of GDP? Around 10% isn't it?
Serious need to balance economics with a proclaimed eradication of Covid-19
EDIT: Have no problem at all with her libertarian leanings as she's open about it. Her lockdown views also seem separate from her scientific analysis.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Edit: Also, if her hypothesis is correct, it would make me fear for NZ given the relative lack of exposure.
What's the tourist industry in NZ as a % of GDP? Around 10% isn't it?
Serious need to balance economics with a proclaimed eradication of Covid-19
EDIT: Have no problem at all with her libertarian leanings as she's open about it. Her lockdown views also seem separate from her scientific analysis.
I believe it's much greater in the South Island. More concerning though is, assuming her view is correct, NZ will not have built up any immunity of note. Existing in a bubble so to speak. A big "if" mind you.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Someone ghosted an excellent letter to the WHO from President Trump:
Pretty damning summary.
The actions of China and WHO are at the root cause of a multi year global recession and still people find a way to turn it all back on Trump.
The adults of the world, now staring at the ashes, want to know what the fuck happened and how. We also realise that the yanks have a right to know what their disproportionate funding buys these days - just as Morrison, Adern and others want an inquiry.
It seems some people have gotten all the way through to acceptance, of the Kubler Ross model, but there's a fair few of us stuck at anger and China and the WHO have the smoking gun. Fucked if this mess doesn't get cleaned up properly. Not cleaning up the GFC in 08 properly has a lot to do with the shit we're in now.
Hear hear to those asking questions of CCP and WHO at this time.
When reviewing the fox getting into the henhouse it is far more important to understand how it got in there rather than how the hens were treated thereafter.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam The counter argument would be Trump fan-bois buy in to his paranoia and attempts to blame anyone but himself - even his own appointees - rather than accept that the President of The US both through his actions and inactions has exacerbated what was already a crisis into a catastrophe.
It is shameful that the richest and most resourced country on earth has been shown up to be so unprepared, so unable to adapt, so riven by distrust and personality politics. Trump isn't solely to blame for all of that but he has to take his share of the responsibility.
Turns out appointing a clown to lead you in a time of crisis isn't all that funny.
The fact is that if Trump was NZ PM it is likely things would have been OK and had Cindy been POTUS there'd have been tens of thousands of deaths.
The cult of personality is fairly pointless.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The fact is that if Trump was NZ PM it is likely things would have been OK and had Cindy been POTUS there'd have been tens of thousands of deaths.
A lot depends on the political opposition behaving responsibly.
An opposition working to undermine the President/PM's coronavirus response really, really doesn't help.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The fact is that if Trump was NZ PM it is likely things would have been OK and had Cindy been POTUS there'd have been tens of thousands of deaths.
A lot depends on the political opposition behaving responsibly.
An opposition working to undermine the President/PM's coronavirus response really, really doesn't help.
Agreed. Best course is for Leader to give private briefings to Leader of Opposition so point scoring will be readily identified as political, and thus dicouraged.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So not a lot said about this. Thoughts anyone?
To paraphrase Chris Witty: "Compared to what we know about other viruses, we really don't have a fucking clue about this one yet" ?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So not a lot said about this. Thoughts anyone?
To paraphrase Chris Witty: "Compared to what we know about other viruses, we really don't have a fucking clue about this one yet" ?
Don't make me ask you questions without question marks
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So not a lot said about this. Thoughts anyone?
I read somewhere that although recovered there was viral debris in some, and that seemed to be enough to test positive. Point being there increasingly looks to be a period (six months plus?) of immunity.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
To paraphrase Chris Witty: "Compared to what we know about other viruses, we really don't have a fucking clue about this one yet" ?
Good call. There's so much uncertainty about what makes a difference, what doesn't, how transmittable and when...
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam The counter argument would be Trump fan-bois buy in to his paranoia and attempts to blame anyone but himself - even his own appointees - rather than accept that the President of The US both through his actions and inactions has exacerbated what was already a crisis into a catastrophe.
It is shameful that the richest and most resourced country on earth has been shown up to be so unprepared, so unable to adapt, so riven by distrust and personality politics. Trump isn't solely to blame for all of that but he has to take his share of the responsibility.
Turns out appointing a clown to lead you in a time of crisis isn't all that funny.
The fact is that if Trump was NZ PM it is likely things would have been OK and had Cindy been POTUS there'd have been tens of thousands of deaths.
The cult of personality is fairly pointless.
Lottery numbers for Saturday please