Coronavirus - Overall
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@Winger Not sure about the USA, but in NZ and after some digging around health and Stats NZ websites, those who are high risk of Covid-19 being serious (not necessarily lethal, but possibly requiring hospitalisation or causing long term organ damage) are:
- 70+ (545,000)
- Respiratory issues (830,000)
- Hypertension/high blood pressure (864,000)
- Heart disease (180,000)
- Diabetes (250,000)
- BMI 40+ (185,000)
- Heavy smoker (270,000)
- Kidney disease (210,000)
- Liver disease (50,000 Hep B, but no one number or % that I could find)
- Immune-compromised (2,000 HIV patients, otherwise Lord knows)
Obviously a lot of those aren't mutually exclusive so people will have more than one of them (especially the diabetes suite of BMI 40+, diabetes, hypertension, heart disease), but there's a reasonable case for at least 15% being high risk (11% of our population are 70+) and perhaps another 10-15% medium-high risk.
We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms, or just do what we did and suck it up for 8 weeks.
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I split the UK stuff into it's own thread:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3982/coronavirus-uk/25It was getting hard to follow the two different conversations happening in this thread
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My Father-in-law in the UK said I received a letter from the NHS asking me if I wanted to take part in some Covid trial...
Random AF given I havent paid taxes there since 2004.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms, or just do what we did and suck it up for 8 weeks.
Thanks for this information. Interesting. But its not a great reflection on our so called health care system. And its likely to get worse in future years as lots of young NZers now are really overweight.
"We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms". A smart Govt would do this
"just do what we did and suck it up for 8 weeks." A nanny state Govt does this. -
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms, or just do what we did and suck it up for 8 weeks.
Thanks for this information. Interesting. But its not a great reflection on our so called health care system. And its likely to get worse in future years as lots of young NZers now are really overweight.
"We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms". A smart Govt would do this
"just do what we did and suck it up for 8 weeks." A nanny state Govt does this.So they can sacrifice their mental health along with their civil liberties, and the "smart government" can be voted out by those affected and their families? Good luck with that.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
"We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms". A smart Govt would do this
Lots of people are idiots, it's a fact of life. Even back in the days of the plague there is documentation of people sneaking out of their houses when they or family members are infected.
Your plan relies on enough people not being idiots.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
My Father-in-law in the UK said I received a letter from the NHS asking me if I wanted to take part in some Covid trial...
Random AF given I havent paid taxes there since 2004.
Expendable
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
"We could tell them all to stay home longer in isolation so the rest of the population can have more freedoms". A smart Govt would do this
Lots of people are idiots, it's a fact of life. Even back in the days of the plague there is documentation of people sneaking out of their houses when they or family members are infected.
Your plan relies on enough people not being idiots.
This is an elitist attitude that's a danger to society.
Where a select few are smart, wise and trustworthy but the rest are just idiots. (dumb human cattle that need to be tightly controlled and disciplined)The issue is the wealthy elite see you and me in this dumb cattle category. And them as the wise, superior super class.
So while you in your superiority on your high horse see others as inferior to you (its really a disowned part of you that you project onto other though) the elite use this mindset to take away our rights and treat as like naughty children. And wreck the economy doing so. -
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage Check out the WHO research just posted by Sikora.
Not relevant mate. Only relevant to keep going on about Cummings. Pandemic totally not in the publics interest anymore.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage Check out the WHO research just posted by Sikora.
Not relevant mate. Only relevant to keep going on about Cummings. Pandemic totally not in the publics interest anymore.
How could I have missed that!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage Check out the WHO research just posted by Sikora.
Not relevant mate. Only relevant to keep going on about Cummings. Pandemic totally not in the publics interest anymore.
Totally wrong. The two are interlinked. Watch out for the spike in Durham and more importably Barnard Castle. It's going to be armageddon.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Just yesterday WHO were cautioning us to be aware of the second wave...
Can someone tell me why Sikora gets so much attention? Just coz he's a Dr doesn't mean he's an expert on CV?
With this on his CV how can he be questioned?
In September 2009, the convicted Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was released from a Scottish prison on compassionate grounds. The Daily Telegraph reported that Sikora was one of the three doctors hired by the Libyan government to assess Megrahi's condition.
Sikora's report concluded that Megrahi had only three months to live due to terminal prostate cancer. In fact, Megrahi died on 20 May 2012, two years and nine months after his release. Sikora has since admitted that the "three months" timescale was suggested to him by the Libyans. According to The Daily Telegraph, this was not the first time that Sikora had been economical with the truth. Sikora's medical diagnosis was not used by the Scottish Justice Minister since it had been paid for by Libya, but his diagnosis did agree with the medical evidence that was used. Once released, Megrahi returned to Libya and far outlived the 3-month prognosis.
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