Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Machpants The contact tracing for my team will be my responsibility as the player/manager. We tend to have the same people watching most weeks, so as long as random strangers don't turn up it shouldn't be a major issue.
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@Stargazer 22 active cases is another highlight of that!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options. -
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.@Crucial Do you mean that your normal routine isn't impacted, or that it feels like 'business as usual' when you're out and about?
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.@Crucial Do you mean that your normal routine isn't impacted, or that it feels like 'business as usual' when you're out and about?
Feels like business as usual. Sure there are changes at shops and I’m not trying to go to pubs or cinemas. But I also don’t feel that constrained.
I appreciate that others might though and some businesses still find it too difficult to operate. -
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
Aren’t they deliberately letting two full potential infection cycles play out?
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
Aren’t they deliberately letting two full potential infection cycles play out?
Who knows? But even if they are, that doesn't answer any of my questions. 2 x infection cycles from some invented starting point really doesn't add any scientific chop here. They should be constantly evaluating, adjusting, expanding. And ideally, but perhaps impossibly, forcing businesses that can and should be operating under L2 conditions, to actually open.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
Aren’t they deliberately letting two full potential infection cycles play out?
Who knows? But even if they are, that doesn't answer any of my questions. 2 x infection cycles from some invented starting point really doesn't add any scientific chop here. They should be constantly evaluating, adjusting, expanding. And ideally, but perhaps impossibly, forcing businesses that can and should be operating under L2 conditions, to actually open.
Forcing businesses to open?
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.@Crucial Do you mean that your normal routine isn't impacted, or that it feels like 'business as usual' when you're out and about?
Feels like business as usual. Sure there are changes at shops and I’m not trying to go to pubs or cinemas. But I also don’t feel that constrained.
I appreciate that others might though and some businesses still find it too difficult to operate.Said to some mates, on Zoom the other day, that being served at tables at pubs and being able to hear people speak at bars and restaurants actually seems an improvement to me. Then we all realised how old we were sounding!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
Maybe to avoid a Dominic Cummings conundrum?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
Aren’t they deliberately letting two full potential infection cycles play out?
Who knows? But even if they are, that doesn't answer any of my questions. 2 x infection cycles from some invented starting point really doesn't add any scientific chop here. They should be constantly evaluating, adjusting, expanding. And ideally, but perhaps impossibly, forcing businesses that can and should be operating under L2 conditions, to actually open.
Forcing businesses to open?
Yeah, it's a strong push, I totally see the other perspective - but the flipside, is why should they get the wage subsidy if they've made no attempt to open?
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
Maybe to avoid a Dominic Cummings conundrum?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
How do our rules prevent a Dominic Cummings event?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
Maybe to avoid a Dominic Cummings conundrum?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
How do our rules prevent a Dominic Cummings event?
Slightly facetious, but just that if rules are arbitrary, there's little risk of someone doing something within them, but contrary to general understanding.
So 100 is just 100.
I agree with your point, though.
If people's judgement could be relied on, could leave it to them to enforce social distancing, and maybe have a guideline to effect that in general operating at greater than 20%, say, of capacity is unlikely to be reasonable outcome.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.You may not have. But I've driven 1000kms in L2 conditions over the last 10 days, and I've seen:
- multiple cafes, bars, restaurants closed as it's apparently too hard to comply
- multiple tourist attractions closed - Waitomo Caves, Otorohanga Kiwi park, Rotorua zip-lining, Waiotapu pools for example
- cinemas closed, including all 3 Event Cinemas in Mount Mounganui (leaving zero alternative)
And you couldn't catch this thing if you tried
BUT - that's not even my point. I'm fine with continued distancing guidelines, whatever makes us feel safer. I just HATE this single rule for all. Why 10, why 100? Why not allow massive venues to take some responsibility, even if you impose massive penalties for non-compliance? Who says a funeral parlour that holds 500 normally cant hold 250 now? Why camt a stadium that typically holds 30,000, host a game with 5,000?
Maybe to avoid a Dominic Cummings conundrum?
And most of all, why are we waiting a month for our masters to revisit these rules? Given their direct impact on the economy, why aren't they being assessed every couple of days?
How do our rules prevent a Dominic Cummings event?
The closest we had was the David Clark event. He hasn't been seen in public since, and I suppose the PM will decide if he will survive as a Minister into the next election. At least he appeared contrite at the time.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And yet, L1 is a month away....
It all started from one person. We have to make sure that one person isn’t waiting to surprise us.
To be honest I’m not noticing a hell of a lot of difference to normal at the moment apart from closed borders and less flight options.@Crucial Do you mean that your normal routine isn't impacted, or that it feels like 'business as usual' when you're out and about?
Feels like business as usual. Sure there are changes at shops and I’m not trying to go to pubs or cinemas. But I also don’t feel that constrained.
I appreciate that others might though and some businesses still find it too difficult to operate.Is it still 1000 people a day joining the dole? How many redundancies are we up to? How many businesses have gone under? What’s the unemployment rate now? (Have seen massive increases here for other countries)
We had that one publicised suicide from a business going under, is that rate increasing compared to last year?
How many people have lost there homes as their businesses fail or they have lost their jobs?
While I’m glad you and I seem not to be greatly effected, I’m trying not to have my head in the ground about the pain this is causing others. It’s not business as usual.
And it would be nice to see some analysis of the above from the government’s cheerleaders (the media). If anybody has answers to the above please post here.