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Here's what an independent body has to say..
“While Trump is talking about the former vice president’s son's financial dealings, in Trump’s case, it is the president himself who has a company he still owns and profits from that has financial relationships with the countries that he is supposed to be negotiating with on behalf of the American people,” said Robert Maguire, research director for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
“There are definitely legitimate questions that are raised by Hunter Biden’s actions,” Maguire said. “They are not even in the same ballpark as the conflict of interest questions raised by President Trump’s continued relationship with his own company.”
If you are going to apply the tenet "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" you must apply it both ways.
Besides no one here is saying that Biden is the goods. Just the better of two poor options. Same as many were saying last time around about Clinton.
The US political system is fucked, as shown by electing a many times bankrupted reality TV bully as President. They don't do themselves any favours. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
I think he's asking for an over top witchhunt like what Trump had for an even up. Not sure what that would achieve except make discourse even worse.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
This is so delusional.
The reason I linked to factcheck is because it does just that, checks the facts around statements to see what evidence supports them.
Hunter Biden was investigated in the same way as Trump. The big difference is that the report was accepted without interference by a flunky.
I agree that Biden’s shit stinks as well. Just nowhere near as much as Trump’s.Can you please explain how it is that you can get so upset about legal (but dodgy) dealings by the Biden’s but totally chose to ignore Trump stretching rules as far as possible to direct income to Trump Inc. , gain trademarks for his daughter in China, negotiate real estate deals and loans with a foreign power, employ unqualified family members.....
All may be legal (just) but no less dodgy than Biden arranging contacts for a business that his son has a minority shareholding in. If, of course that is actually true.Fact: Trump has placed family members in positions of influence despite having no background or relative success in those areas.
Fact: Ivanka Trumps business has received 3 successful trademark applications in China (highly unusual). Before becoming president Trump himself had 130 applications turned down.
Fact: Trumps Washington hotel (and therefore his pockets) has vastly improved turnover from overseas officials. (Admittedly this is their choice not directly his but still stretches the rules around emoluments)I could search and carry on with more but these are all undeniable facts that you see nothing wrong with but want properly run investigations re- opened based on an accusatory tweet rather than fact.
And yes, they are all dodgy fuckers.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
I think he's asking for an over top witchhunt like what Trump had for an even up. Not sure what that would achieve except make discourse even worse.
Which one? I think the Ukraine thing as OTT, but not the Russian election interference.
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@sparky said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Trump's latest speech / comments on corona virus testing were just on the radio. They are just so idiotic I can't believe it even from him.
Donald if you didn't test at all you would end up with zero positives...
The Tulsa Fire Department have said there were only 6200 people at yesterday's event. The arena has a capacity of 19,000. Trump boasted ahead that over a million people would turn up. Even he must be embarrassed by such tiny, tiny, tiny ratings. He should retire.
People physically turning up is a PITA. Much easier to mine their data:
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
I think he's asking for an over top witchhunt like what Trump had for an even up. Not sure what that would achieve except make discourse even worse.
Which one? I think the Ukraine thing as OTT, but not the Russian election interference.
If you want to claim leadership of the free world those sorts of things need to be investigated thoroughlySure, if you are willing to follow the evidence when it doesn't lead to Trump, which didn't seem to be the case. Without going through it all again, there is evidence that the Russians weren't favouring Trump, they were favoring division and supporting both sides of contentious issues.
Pretty much got what they wanted IMO.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
I think he's asking for an over top witchhunt like what Trump had for an even up. Not sure what that would achieve except make discourse even worse.
Which one? I think the Ukraine thing as OTT, but not the Russian election interference.
If you want to claim leadership of the free world those sorts of things need to be investigated thoroughlySure, if you are willing to follow the evidence when it doesn't lead to Trump, which didn't seem to be the case. Without going through it all again, there is evidence that the Russians weren't favouring Trump, they were favoring division and supporting both sides of contentious issues.
Pretty much got what they wanted IMO.
To be honest they didn't have to try very hard
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
I think he's asking for an over top witchhunt like what Trump had for an even up. Not sure what that would achieve except make discourse even worse.
Which one? I think the Ukraine thing as OTT, but not the Russian election interference.
If you want to claim leadership of the free world those sorts of things need to be investigated thoroughlySure, if you are willing to follow the evidence when it doesn't lead to Trump, which didn't seem to be the case. Without going through it all again, there is evidence that the Russians weren't favouring Trump, they were favoring division and supporting both sides of contentious issues.
Pretty much got what they wanted IMO.
To be honest they didn't have to try very hard
Well no, it's been on this trajectory since Gore sued for losing an election. Social media, etc have made this sort of manipulation easier from outside the country as well, as well as how they have donations that can be made to lobby groups and politicians.
It's a mess.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So throw shit at Biden all you like (as long as it is warranted) but to do so while ignoring Trumps financial connections to a state player is extremely myopic.
Trumps been investigated for 3 year. what was it. A cost of $20 million. And what was found. NOTHING.
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too). Esp the 1 billion Chinese 'loan' (that a billion not million). And the Hunter Biden Ukraine carry on as well. Maybe its all OK but why would the Chinese give a company linked to Biden son so much money. And would they have given this money if Biden wasn't high up in the US Govt. And who else have they given money to in political office in the US?
Are you believing Trump's ramblings without checking for truth again? That surprises me not.
The Hunter Biden thing with Ukraine has been investigated already and cleared.
Well, cleared in so far as not being able to withstand charges which is exactly what the Russia 'collusion' investigation came to against the Trump campaign.
Trump hasn't been investigated for feathering his nest with China and he also has loans with them. He also directly profits from having a chinese state tenant as one of his biggest. So again, are you applying the same yardstick or working on a 'two wrongs' principle.Factcheck?
I'll repeat. I would like Biden and his family investigated in the same way as Trump has been. And maybe by a group of Republicans (or Biden haters) to make it comparable to the Trump investigation (and I'll repeat. It found NOTHING). Even though mud is still being thrown. But fewer and fewer believe it now.
I think Crucial posted up an article that says he's been investigated cleared. 3 posts ago in fact.... Personally I think they are all dirty
I think he's asking for an over top witchhunt like what Trump had for an even up. Not sure what that would achieve except make discourse even worse.
Which one? I think the Ukraine thing as OTT, but not the Russian election interference.
If you want to claim leadership of the free world those sorts of things need to be investigated thoroughlySure, if you are willing to follow the evidence when it doesn't lead to Trump, which didn't seem to be the case. Without going through it all again, there is evidence that the Russians weren't favouring Trump, they were favoring division and supporting both sides of contentious issues.
Pretty much got what they wanted IMO.
Sure did.
The investigation did follow through on “non-Trump” aspects and even made arrests. It was clearly established that there was interference.
They would have been remiss not to look and see if it was encouraged or arranged by the Trump campaign as there were so many connections, lies and contradictions from that avenue.
Remember that the investigation was about interference not setting out to prove collusion, but once information pointed in that direction it had to be looked at.
Putin is a player and is playing short, medium and long term games.
If the US pulls out of Europe, Putin will be laughing his arse off.
All it probably took was a side comment to Trump asking why they spent so much there ( that is all my guessing obviously)Trump saw an opportunity to look like he was doing something for ‘ and has now established a narrative of “not in our interest”
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Can you please explain how it is that you can get so upset about legal (but dodgy) dealings by the Biden’s but totally chose to ignore Trump stretching rules
BDS.
It's the same as TDS mentioned here all the time, but it has a "B".
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
The narrative is that Putin got Trump elected. Which is not true, it's more accurate to say Putin poured gasoline on the US political landscape and threw matches everywhere.
Trump was one outcome, BLM riots was another.
I'll agree that is the popular narrative but for me it was all about whether Trump's campaign and cronies tried to take advantage of Putin's desire to interfere.
When you have people like Flynn and Stone lying (or in Flynn's claim now 'lying about lying') and Trump himself trying to obstruct as far as he could get away with, then any investigator doing their job properly would look closely to see how true that was.
Trump lies and his cronies lie. Were their denials to be taken on face value?
To call that a witch hunt and unfair is extremely naive.But yes, Putin is just chucking stuff over the fence and playing Trump like a fiddle. He will surely want him to be re-elected.
Trump has tried to get Ukraine and China to help him against Biden already sending strong messages to Putin. He has been undermining confidence in the electoral system since before being sworn in and there could be one hell of a scary endgame to play out.
I can't remember exactly how it works but it could come down to getting a couple of states to declare no confidence or interference in their ballot and it goes to the House of Reps to declare the winner. The trick is that the House only gets one vote per state on this and that could go in his favour.
All theory of course but nothing would surprise me.
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Oh it's absolutely a witchhunt, not naive at all to call it such. You are having to cherry pick one investigation, there has been a series of these from the Democrats now.
Everything is dialed up to 11, so it's just become background noise.
I have sane people I know in the US that are honestly concerned that Trump won't give up power if he loses the election. That's how retarded this has all become.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
I would like the same focus on Biden and his son (and family too).
I find this very odd. Why do you care so much, are you an American voter? I'm somewhat interested in US politics but I don't get why people who aren't US voters are so heavily invested in this. I just watch it the same way I watch overseas rugby games; entertained in principle but generally dismissive of everything about it and certainly not going to get worked up about something that is ultimately of no consequence to me.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
I have sane people I know in the US that are honestly concerned that Trump won't give up power if he loses the election.
Seriously? How does that even play out?
He loses and the military follow the new elected president to enforce "democracy". Even that word is a bit wrong when you have the electoral college.
You're right the whole thing is retarded.
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